Message from @Undead Mockingbird

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2019-02-06 19:38:34 UTC  

Human nature i know

2019-02-06 19:38:39 UTC  

Yes.

2019-02-06 19:38:41 UTC  

And itll keep repeating itself

2019-02-06 19:38:47 UTC  

The market is people

2019-02-06 19:38:56 UTC  

Believe me i get all that

2019-02-06 19:39:07 UTC  

And if we all decided to live an ascetic life style, the market would reflect that, too.

2019-02-06 19:39:30 UTC  

The only things in demand would be simple robes and prayer books.

2019-02-06 19:39:54 UTC  

The economy doesn't "need" either thing.

2019-02-06 19:40:09 UTC  

The economy simply "economizes" (i.e. rations things of limited supply).

2019-02-06 19:40:13 UTC  

But thats not capiltilism

2019-02-06 19:40:19 UTC  

Of course it is.

2019-02-06 19:40:41 UTC  

Capitlism does not equal economy

2019-02-06 19:40:55 UTC  

Capitalism is one form of managing the economy.

2019-02-06 19:40:56 UTC  

It does equal our economy

2019-02-06 19:41:11 UTC  

It is one way to ration things of limited supply.

2019-02-06 19:41:19 UTC  

And its the way its been managed that lead us to where we are

2019-02-06 19:41:26 UTC  

Where every single country is.

2019-02-06 19:41:33 UTC  

Just because you buy and sell prayer books doesn't make it less of a market or less capitalistic.

2019-02-06 19:41:45 UTC  

It means you engage in trades of your own free will.

2019-02-06 19:42:02 UTC  

Yes were better off this way i agree with that

2019-02-06 19:42:10 UTC  

That's not what I'm saying.

2019-02-06 19:42:21 UTC  

I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding about capitalism.

2019-02-06 19:42:56 UTC  

Why did you think one scenario constituted capitalism but not the other? Because of the type of things being traded?

2019-02-06 19:43:07 UTC  

Global trading

2019-02-06 19:43:18 UTC  

Id like to see that slowed down

2019-02-06 19:43:35 UTC  

The alterantive to trade is war

2019-02-06 19:43:43 UTC  

We never mentioned global trading, but there was hesitation from your side to call what I described in that latter scenario as capitalism. Why?

2019-02-06 19:44:11 UTC  

Cause its ingrained

2019-02-06 19:44:24 UTC  

I think trading goods between countries is good but not currency

2019-02-06 19:44:43 UTC  

But i want the value of human life to go up

2019-02-06 19:44:45 UTC  

You seemed to be quick to call an economy with a big entertainment system capitalism, but you seemed hesitant to call a country of ascetics, trading by the same principles, capitalistic.

I find that important.

2019-02-06 19:45:33 UTC  

It had appeared as if you had agreed with me on the neutral mechanics by which markets work and capitalism, but then you seemed to make a distinction as soon as only certain TYPES of goods were traded.

Why?

2019-02-06 19:46:02 UTC  

By trade I mean with the intermediary of currency, in all instances.

2019-02-06 19:46:08 UTC  

Well when a king rules over 100 people, each matter more to him

2019-02-06 19:46:20 UTC  

Yes, because there is a short supply of people.

2019-02-06 19:46:22 UTC  

When a king rules over 1 million, each matters less

2019-02-06 19:47:26 UTC  

Depends on what it is about them.

2019-02-06 19:47:52 UTC  

If the worth of their labor is to be priced, it's whatever the king is willing to exchange for it.

2019-02-06 19:48:02 UTC  

Well the king wants more people most of the time

2019-02-06 19:48:16 UTC  

And its wrong to try to stop that expansion

2019-02-06 19:48:23 UTC  

If one day of labor is worth as much as a keg of beer, then the price, whatever it is, will be about the same for the two.