Message from @Kibec

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2019-02-07 06:26:57 UTC  

Anyone want to debate metaphysics?

2019-02-07 06:29:13 UTC  
2019-02-07 06:30:19 UTC  

Praxeology is the foundation of epistemology.

2019-02-07 06:32:58 UTC  

A is A
Existence exists
One must perceive it possessing consciousness
A consciousness conscious of nothing is a contradiction in terms
A consciousness conscious of nothing but itself is a contradiction in terms: before it could identify itself as consciousness, it had to be conscious of something. If that which you claim to perceive does not exist, what you possess is not consciousness.
A is A. A thing is itself. Existence is Identity, Consciousness is Identification.

2019-02-07 06:33:22 UTC  
2019-02-07 06:34:38 UTC  

Rand was a red.

2019-02-07 06:34:38 UTC  

These laws are the the foundation of all knowledge

2019-02-07 06:36:42 UTC  

Praxeology is the foundation of these laws.

2019-02-07 06:37:26 UTC  
2019-02-07 06:38:18 UTC  

What is the purpose of knowledge other than action?

2019-02-07 08:07:50 UTC  

@halfthink Except for knowledge to exist it must exist

2019-02-07 08:07:56 UTC  

It must posses an identity

2019-02-07 08:10:58 UTC  

@Existence is identity action precedes knowledge.

2019-02-07 08:11:26 UTC  

It must exist first @halfthink

2019-02-07 08:11:47 UTC  

Yes, action must exist in order to acquire knowledge.

2019-02-07 08:12:17 UTC  

Thats why metaphysics comes first

2019-02-07 08:12:39 UTC  

Existence Identity Consciousness

2019-02-07 08:15:24 UTC  

In what sense does something exist if no consciousness exists to perceive it, and what is perception if not an action, a means aimed at an end?

2019-02-07 12:07:38 UTC  

why would anyone do something like that?

2019-02-07 12:08:07 UTC  

might be religion? Islam? does someone know if this could be cus of religion ?

2019-02-07 13:09:01 UTC  

Its prolly not a religious thing but mental illness at that point or lack of self control

2019-02-07 15:49:40 UTC  

Btw. I have a question. Does politics affect the economy more or the other way around

2019-02-07 15:51:42 UTC  

And which comes first?

2019-02-07 16:02:13 UTC  

in the distant past economy and politics had more cohesion when those who had the position of authority within the nation were also those who owned and oversaw the largest scope of logistics in agroculture and other industrys within the nation. your kings, emperors, roman senate, pharaohs, etc.

however even without such a connection, policys that revolve around regulating businesses, especially trade businesses has a very strong effect on economy though this is not to say all regulation is bad. taxes likewise effect economy as you can imagine

2019-02-07 16:05:34 UTC  

systems that try to remove the power of money away from the influince of government are systems that attempt to put politics first, weather or not they succeed. systems where the legitimacy of authority is through raw exertion of power, economy often comes first. however culture is a factor here, some people have been ruled by one authority so long that its actually began coding itself into their genes, china is the most distinct example of that

2019-02-07 16:05:50 UTC  

I see

2019-02-07 16:05:56 UTC  

Yea that makes sense

2019-02-07 16:06:04 UTC  

I think i know where to start now

2019-02-07 16:07:56 UTC  

I also suddenly understood nationalism alot more

2019-02-07 16:13:16 UTC  

what constitutes as human? and how far human rights spread

2019-02-07 16:14:07 UTC  

Economics came first, as economics is the whole of human interactions in which things are traded voluntarily @My Preferred Pronoun Is Sama

2019-02-07 16:15:53 UTC  

@Arch-Fiend "systems where the legitimacy of authority is through raw exertion of power, economy often comes first." i'll need a citation for this. the free and voluntary trade between consenting parts is antithetical to the raw exertion of power as exertion of power is involuntary and aggressive by definition.

2019-02-07 16:16:03 UTC  

I mean i was thinking what it really means to put america first

2019-02-07 16:16:41 UTC  

Putting the interests and desires of those within the confines of the nation-state USA above the interests and desires of those abroad

2019-02-07 16:20:18 UTC  

Yea but that comes into conflict with the free market more and more it feels like

2019-02-07 16:20:45 UTC  

I used to be a libertarian but i turned and never went back a few years ago suddenly

2019-02-07 16:21:39 UTC  

Only if you regulate what can come in and go out

2019-02-07 16:21:39 UTC  

@F.Pazuzu raw exertion of power is almost always in favor of economy because commonly valued wealth can easly be translated into a better war machine. however this is only with reguard to internal politics rather than external, a wealthy but low population group is going to have a hard time overcomeing a poor high population group. though high populations throughout most of human history have often been associated with strong economys. it was only at the point where technological progress began to become asymetrical on a global scale where high populations began to fall short of their economic impact, which was really only a short blip in anthropoligic history, though its a blip we are currently in.

2019-02-07 16:24:39 UTC  

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