Message from @Dr.Wol

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2018-01-23 00:28:27 UTC  

I’m not a socialist either mate , honestly I don’t like any modern economic ideologies , there’s lots wrong with all of them , socialism is just communism lite

2018-01-23 00:28:31 UTC  

Freedom is paramount

2018-01-23 00:28:43 UTC  

Liberty over everything

2018-01-23 00:28:47 UTC  

(Civic)

2018-01-23 00:29:05 UTC  

there is no difference between communism and socialism. They both follow the same philosophy.

2018-01-23 00:29:16 UTC  

Singleton , what about when those minorities who think collectively vote you out of your rights for being an evil whitey

2018-01-23 00:29:16 UTC  

they are both morally wrong.

2018-01-23 00:29:23 UTC  

and those Sh*thole countries are also there because the actual smart people from there realise its shitty so they move to the west, hence the west keeps the smart people and the poor countries lose them

2018-01-23 00:29:27 UTC  

I thought communism was the Intended outcome of socialism?

2018-01-23 00:29:45 UTC  

Jayred isn’t that called brain drain

2018-01-23 00:29:48 UTC  

Also yes they both strip the rights of the individual far too much

2018-01-23 00:29:50 UTC  

no, socialism is just a rebranding of communism done in the 20th century.

2018-01-23 00:30:00 UTC  

seriously, learn some history guys

2018-01-23 00:30:10 UTC  

Eh?

2018-01-23 00:30:11 UTC  

we've tread these paths before.

2018-01-23 00:30:18 UTC  

it is, and thats whats causing major damage to those countries too, because when all the good and motivated people leave, whats left? weak idiots easily susceptible to corruption and oppression

2018-01-23 00:30:41 UTC  

go and read "the ominous parallels" by Leonard Peikoff.

2018-01-23 00:30:48 UTC  

When was communism present before the 20th century ?

2018-01-23 00:30:50 UTC  

Will do

2018-01-23 00:31:12 UTC  

Yes jayred , although the places many of these people are coming from wouldn’t succeed anyway because smart people are in a big minority

2018-01-23 00:31:17 UTC  

Socialism = Communism with a state still in tact

but since people can't function without a state to help them, there can never be true communism
hence the closest to it is Socialism, making them essentially the same thing

2018-01-23 00:31:19 UTC  

Communism was invented in the 18th or 19th century.

2018-01-23 00:31:46 UTC  

I see

2018-01-23 00:31:47 UTC  

thats why the soviet union is a "socialist" place but refered to as communists

2018-01-23 00:31:58 UTC  

its essentially the same thing

2018-01-23 00:32:38 UTC  

Also, I'd like to mention that the majority of Nigerian immigrants typically have a high class degree. They are very productive individuals. Don't blame individual people for the political systems they are trying to escape from.

2018-01-23 00:33:11 UTC  

where the idea is that success should be divided amongst everyone, so a "community" can become strong and wealthy

this has never worked in practice because humans are too greedy, lazy and selfish and simply not the same, so there will always be "better workers" that will outdo the bad workers, and will get demotivated cuz all the "extra work" they put in is not rewarded to them but others

this is why people in socialist places tend not to work hard anymore

2018-01-23 00:34:07 UTC  

Communism is morally wrong on principle. It punishes ability and rewards you for being worthless.

2018-01-23 00:34:12 UTC  

exactly

2018-01-23 00:34:32 UTC  

it enriches the use of being a loser/victim, something the progressives mimic, because it gives them pity-points for power

2018-01-23 00:34:50 UTC  

In such a short time

2018-01-23 00:34:50 UTC  

We should blame the irresponsible politicians who brought them here in uncontrollable numbers

2018-01-23 00:35:00 UTC  

there's a really good description of how communism becomes such a monster in Atlas Shrugged.

2018-01-23 00:36:02 UTC  

sadly i think the current european politicians are actually thinking they're doing good as opposed to grabbing power

they've started to believe their own nonsense because they're disconnected from the normal peoples lives because they've been in power too long consecutively

2018-01-23 00:36:19 UTC  

you are still missing the point. The reason there is a problem with crime is that nobody is making the case that enlightenment values are not only morally sanctionable, but desirable.

2018-01-23 00:37:12 UTC  

therefore, people are turning to other philosophies like nihilism (one of the roots of communism) or mysticisms like Islam.

2018-01-23 00:37:23 UTC  

but don't you see? thats how Muslims see islam comapred to the western values

They see their "values" as morally sanctionable and desirable

2018-01-23 00:38:28 UTC  

Enlightenment values is just another term of "our side knows better"

the whole point shouldn't be to find some specific values, its to find "the best" values, and we learn that by studying history and the world, and then say "lets not repeat THAT"

2018-01-23 00:38:37 UTC  

That's as many didn't come here with the intention of integration

2018-01-23 00:38:47 UTC  

In the most recent large wave

2018-01-23 00:39:16 UTC  

Since it got up around 300,000 per year in the UK