Message from @Dr.Wol
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the main reasoning behind having guns though,
Is to level the playing field against someone that has more in his arsenal
say you're a scrawny asian woman of 4 ft 5, weighing like 50 kilos
and some 6 ft guy with well over 90 kilos wants to rob you
or someone who has a gun and you're in a locked down area so you can't escape
Well... its better to remove guns from the equation alltogether than to have the bigger arsenal... but again... not going into it now... too much emotion, not enough logic in that topic.
because the issue behind legality of a gun is no concern of a criminal
Norway has gun laws, that didn't stop Anders Breivik from mowing down 40+ children
Except you can't do that. There is no "nobody has guns" option.
it didn't stop those terrorists in france
its like "murder is illegal" too
and i know where you're coming from, i "ideally" wouldn't want guns in a society either,
But since its not impossible to get a gun, realistically i can't have the ideal anymore
Yeah, I would rather they didn't exist.
But they do.
I should have used another example 😩
It's alright lol, there aren't very many anti-gun examples to choose from.
I mean for logic vs emotion
Oh, I don't know much about that.
I do know that an emotional response is also a part of our survival instinct.
Logically i'm okay with guns for leveling the playing field
Emotionally, I want a gun so i can kill anyone i've crossed to the point where i'd fear they'll want to retaliate against me
for Pre-venge
cuz thats what Emotions really boil down to
One last thing about guns... the idea that there is „common sense gun laws“ that improve the situation in the US is complete bullshit. Everything you could do will only serve to arm criminals.
"me me me"
Or civil war...
Yeah... the emotion of „think of the children“ (which usually gets a „why? What are you hiding?“ from me)
its common sense in the middle east to rape girls if they don't dress "modestly" enough,
So if you go with "Just use common sense" then cultures will clash
Well, it is funny people speak of "common sense" gun laws as if they are a self-explanatory thing, yet when asked they can't name a single provision.
its because there isn't any such provisions, "Common sense" is subjective,
Right-wingers think its common sense to work for your share
Left-wingers think its common sense that as long as you work (at anything) you deserve as much as anyone that works an equal amount of time
Christians think its common sense to pray to god
Atheists think its common sense to be a nice guy that finishes last
You'd be surprised how many people don't know that automatic weapons are already banned in the US, for the most part.
thats because many don't know what "semi-automatic" means, they just go with that meme of a feminist reading somethign that has the word "man" in teh sentence and get triggered
Common sense? Weapons are made for killing, killing is illegal so weapons should be illegal. So repeal the second, and ignore the fact that criminals will not give up any guns and will be further armed by a thriving black market.
i agree! back to swords and maces!
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but yes you're absolutely right
And again, with the "well just call the police" argument, I would normally ask what if they don't show up on time. With the Parkland shooting I now get to ask, "what if the police don't do anything?"
but thats my take on pretty much every single "leftist" argument nowadays, its literally like they took a valid Issue, and cut out the last 50% of it
Emotion says „guns bad“, logic says „no guns worse because bo guns not happening“
People being offended is bad, but it breeds strength and you can't "never offend" anyone
Gun violence can quickly escalate, but if you make guns illegal, criminals can still use them so you'd disarm citizens
Censorship can help against stupid ideas, but censorship can also prevent good ideas from being spread
Child labor is a bad thing, but the alternative is that they have to find other more terrible means to survive in those countries (prostitution etc)
You always have to think of the consequences and side effects more than of what you are actually trying to achieve... and thats not really intuitive when you are guided by emotion.
You can‘t not offend.
Slavery is the worst thing ever, but maybe you shouldn't be buying that Apple phone, and starbucks latte used with african beans
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Even just doing/saying nothing can be offensive.