Message from @Giovanna Liviana

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2018-04-29 18:29:58 UTC  

Would the people require nuclear arms or tomahawk missiles to preserve security of a free state?

2018-04-29 18:30:12 UTC  

Actually yes.

2018-04-29 18:30:25 UTC  

Well then. It seems you've answered your own question.

2018-04-29 18:31:04 UTC  

So then you agree people should be allowed to own these, regradless of how reckless they are with them?

2018-04-29 18:31:23 UTC  

That would be an assumption on your part.

2018-04-29 18:37:28 UTC  

Well, it seems we just reached the conclusion that the ownership of nukes are covered by the second amendment, which would mean they are a type of arms, the various versions of firearms are also a type of arms, the second amendment, as you have pointed out, says this shall not be infringed. I argued that regulation does not consitiute infringement by default, as there are some instances in which someone's inability to properly handle a firearm is a threat to my own safety and would rather they not be allowed to have a firearm so I don't need to kill them to protect myself because they are inept. You seem to argue against that yet have yet to make clear how this is infringement yet banning ownership of nukes and tomahawk missiles isn't.

2018-04-29 18:38:47 UTC  

No, you reached that conclusion. I simply pointed out you had answered your own question. I personally do not believe that any person, family, tribe, organization, city government, county government, state government, or national government should be allowed to own nuclear weapons.

2018-04-29 18:40:18 UTC  

And I like guns and would like to just get one liences and be done with it then have to get 20 billion things just to own a handgun. I also don't believe all or nothing ever works, even with the second amendment.

2018-04-29 18:40:57 UTC  

There could be some sort of planetary defense unit or division or whatever which should be allowed to have nuclear weapons, such as for example to destroy an asteroid headed for the planet or our moon, or an invading force from some other star system (if such a thing were to be real).

2018-04-29 18:41:39 UTC  

Nukes wouldn't do shit to those

2018-04-29 18:41:48 UTC  

I have multiple firearms, and have never had to have any kind of license for them. I have had to have a hunting license, but not a license to own or bear a firearm. I do live in a state with open carry oh, by the way.

2018-04-29 18:41:50 UTC  

Unless being used to push them off track

2018-04-29 18:42:18 UTC  

Altering the course of an asteroid so that it plows into the sun would be sufficient, would you not agree?

2018-04-29 18:42:25 UTC  

Oh, never had to a background check or register those weapons too theb.?

2018-04-29 18:42:40 UTC  

Home built?

2018-04-29 18:42:54 UTC  

I've only had a background check for one firearm purchase, the most recent. I do not have to register any of them and have never had to do so. Remember, I am a Texas girl.

2018-04-29 18:43:12 UTC  

Interesting. Why the one?

2018-04-29 18:45:07 UTC  

Because it's the only one I've bought after those laws went into effect. I bought it to honor Roger Moore after he passed away. It is a Walther PPK/S. I have wanted one for a long time, and after his passing, I decided it was time for me to buy one. It is now my preferred weapon. I keep it beside me at all times when I am at home, I can carry it in my vehicle, I can wear it in a holster which is not concealed. If I wanted to carry it concealed, I would have to get a license for that, which means training, the license only being granted after I have had training and passed the course. This would be an easy course for me to pass.

2018-04-29 18:47:26 UTC  

The Walther PPK and PPK/S are "automatic" (semiautomatic) pistols. They can be fired in such a way as to fire each time you pull the trigger. You can also use them as single shot by cocking the hammer before pulling the trigger.

2018-04-29 18:48:05 UTC  

The magazine holds 10 Rounds, and another can be in the chamber. 11 rounds are enough to stop a would-be assailant, and probably two or three.

2018-04-29 18:48:25 UTC  

I am a pretty good shot.

2018-04-29 18:48:47 UTC  

And I can shoot from the hip as well as by taking aim.

2018-04-29 18:49:57 UTC  

For the record, I do think the solution, or part of it, to most of the firearms bullshit these days is to have basic firearms safety and knowledge rammed into people's heads by their parents from an early age. I just don't see it happening on enough scale to make the "black guns are scary" people a small enough group to not be a problem anymore.

2018-04-29 18:50:40 UTC  

Also within easy reach most of the time when I'm sitting here in this spot is another pistol (which is a revolver), and a rifle.

2018-04-29 18:51:29 UTC  

I keep them all loaded.

2018-04-29 18:54:09 UTC  

But let's view things from a different angle, and maybe tweak the idea from the article I posted earlier: would you like the idea of some federal license you could apply for that would allow you to take those weapons to any state without the states local laws being able to tell you no? Or be able to pick up a friends weapon without being arrested for having a gun not registered to you and not owning the like 5 things or whatever stupid number of hoops some states have put up?

2018-04-29 18:54:14 UTC  

As for "assault weapons," education would eliminate some of that. You are probably aware that, during the assault weapons ban, it was perfectly legal for a person to go and buy a rifle identical in every ***meaningful*** way to an AR-15. The only difference was appearance. The AR-15 ***looks*** scary to civilians and those who have never had any military experience or training.

2018-04-29 18:54:48 UTC  

All of my weapons are not registered to me or anyone else.

2018-04-29 18:55:10 UTC  

What states require registration?

2018-04-29 18:56:08 UTC  

As for a license, if I have to pay for a license, then it's no longer a right, but a privilege. So no, I have no desire for such a license, nor do I believe it should be necessary. In fact, I would go so far as to say that such a requirement would be a violation of the Second Amendment and therefore unconstitutional.

2018-04-29 18:57:04 UTC  

exactly, that would be exactly the same has having a license to speak to comply with the first amendment

2018-04-29 18:57:26 UTC  

Also

2018-04-29 18:57:28 UTC  

none of this matters

2018-04-29 18:57:31 UTC  

I didn't say you would be required to get it just to stay legal in your state

2018-04-29 18:57:44 UTC  

I said allow you to buy pass the existing laws in other states.

2018-04-29 18:57:57 UTC  

people that commit crimes with guns will do so because they're already breaking the law. They wont have a license, they still will have a gun, and they still will commit crimes

2018-04-29 18:58:07 UTC  

must I point out crime in NY vs London this year

2018-04-29 18:58:10 UTC  

Because cry unconditional all you want, you'll still end up in jail if caught as it is.

2018-04-29 18:58:27 UTC  

Depending on the state

2018-04-29 18:58:49 UTC  

Only Hawaii and the District of Columbia require the registration of all firearms.

2018-04-29 18:59:11 UTC  

The state of New York requires the registration of handguns.