Anything that isn't SJW is an insult in media, so to them Tim is a conservative alt right

ok but just to be clear, saying he is left... and saying he is liberal, are 2 different things

Which makes me satan himself lol

like you can be right and liberal... and you can be left and authoritarian

It shouldn't though, left and right is where peeps physically sit in parliament, Tim would sit on the left of the room and argue with me on the right

the founders of the US were right wing liberals

left and right are just opinions on what would be the best system to run a society economically

they wanted individual rights - and the rights to own property

the other axis is Authoritarian - Liberal, which is a system on how to best run a society socially

@wacka I grew up in a part of the country where it was totally normalised to think of "the right" as a thing that doesn't exist except in backwards, incredibly low intelligence places where everyone has a thick accent.

Nobody was contrarian to this in the classroom and nobody really brought it up as a concept.

If that's all you're exposed to and there's no contrarian opinion or really anything, it's totally normal to think that if you've never been exposed to it.

were you raised in eurasia?

I wasn't even exposed to THAT,

To me, Left was caring about society, and Right was caring about the economy

boy was i wrongly informed

I'm close enough to chicago where I'm impacted by all of their bullshit laws, if that tells you anything.

😬 🔫

Yeah, from what I recall of my education, there wasn't any deep philosophical discussions or attempts at explaining anything relating to political parties or anything.

"This is the system. This is how the system works. Here's a very condensed, ultra-simplified version of American history."

So from what I remember it was less "the left cares about society and the right cares about the economy" and more "the left cares about society, the left also cares about the economy, and we're not going to say it outright but we can imply that because we, the left, are the good guys, then.. *they're* the bad guys."

yeah, so basically "left = good, right = bad" mentality

It wasn't until I was in high school with a very unorthodox teacher (at times) that I was even introduced to the concept that it's not automatically a good thing that a) everyone thinks the same way or b) that everyone is on the left.

Also, coincidentally, my first experience with one of those political spectrum tests.

Of which, I, and pretty much everyone in the class ended up left/lib, roughly 2/3rds closer to the middle than the outer edge.

There's a reason why this conditioning is so damn difficult to break I imagine.

It's the same shit that happens to kids born into ultra religious families.

the trick, is getting a hot chick to explain right-wing politics, trust me 😛 it will all make sense

Hah.

i imagine you probably get a skewed american history lesson about republicans too

like did they even mention how the KKK assassinated hundreds of white republicans for their views? or that it was a republican that wrote the 13th amendment?

Im not saying theyre the same party as they were then...

It's honestly all a blur. The most I remember is that because of the string of constant moves I basically ended up relearning the exact same stuff over and over again in slightly greater detail each time.

I remember that they taught us that the cause of the civil war was primarily because of slavery and that abraham lincoln was the president ultimately involved in freeing them.

Though I don't recall them mentioning his political affiliation or anything.

nor his skin color 🤔

Wasn't Lincoln what we'd consider today as fairly right?

Well, he was a republican.

thats another thing that kind of annoys me about the alt right.... when they say crap like "white people ended slavery" its like... no.. not really... it was British and Americans... not "white people"

Well that's just identity politics in a nutshell, right?

Alt right kinda started up *because* of identity politics of the left.

well, at the time, 90% of brits and americans WERE white, so its kind of semantics,
but then again, if it were up to the alt-right, white people invented the human race

and from the other side "white people started slavery" ... like... white people didnt even EXIST when slavery started 😛