Message from @Billcat

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2019-04-15 04:53:15 UTC  

the state has to depend on the federal government

2019-04-15 04:53:20 UTC  

that's how the federal government know it won't secede

2019-04-15 04:53:29 UTC  

If a state ever said nah

2019-04-15 04:53:31 UTC  

we dont need that block grant

2019-04-15 04:53:32 UTC  

we're good

2019-04-15 04:53:43 UTC  

the federal government is immediately on lockdown "holy shit this state is actually wanting to be independent"

2019-04-15 04:55:20 UTC  

The concept keeping our union together is that the federal government provides the external defense while the states manage their internal affairs, it's the best of both worlds. A state would have no desire to succeed simply because they have the ability to freely manage internal affairs as they still don't have the ability to provide adequate external defense

2019-04-15 04:55:59 UTC  

Actually

2019-04-15 04:56:01 UTC  

My issue is when that federal government decides "We're going to both provide this external defense and also have extensive internal affair management as well."

2019-04-15 04:56:11 UTC  

A state would have a desire to secede if they realize they can be financially independent.

2019-04-15 04:56:15 UTC  

That's how the Civil War even started

2019-04-15 04:56:31 UTC  

hoping that the southern states thought they were independent enough to secede from the union

2019-04-15 04:56:37 UTC  

that they didnt even need those stupid tariffs affecting them

2019-04-15 04:56:43 UTC  

Financially independent does not equal ability to externally defend

2019-04-15 04:56:46 UTC  

they didnt need those damn anti-slavery politics

2019-04-15 04:57:17 UTC  

The southern states believed they would be able to externally defend with their combined might, say, a *Confederacy of states* if you will

2019-04-15 04:58:15 UTC  

hold up

2019-04-15 04:58:18 UTC  

you do realize you need an economy

2019-04-15 04:58:19 UTC  

for an army

2019-04-15 04:58:30 UTC  

I have never seen a nation able to have an army with no economy

2019-04-15 04:58:33 UTC  

They thought they were independent enough not to succeed and become a sovereign entity, but to form another competing group of states. That's why we saw USA vs CSA and not USA vs a dozen sovereign states

2019-04-15 04:58:36 UTC  

And yes, of course?

2019-04-15 04:58:43 UTC  

I've never said you don't need an economy for an army

2019-04-15 04:58:46 UTC  

The CSA thoguht they were financially independent enough

2019-04-15 04:58:56 UTC  

They were hoping the European powers would intervene

2019-04-15 04:58:57 UTC  

on their behalf

2019-04-15 04:59:05 UTC  

"because them southerners cotton were worth it"

2019-04-15 04:59:36 UTC  

Yes, that is true, they believed it would occur, however British distaste for slavery as well as technological advancements meant this never happened

2019-04-15 04:59:44 UTC  

Wasn't even a distaste for slavery

2019-04-15 04:59:52 UTC  

it was the fact that British had access to Egyptian Cotton and Indian cotton

2019-04-15 04:59:58 UTC  

But that's another topic

2019-04-15 05:00:14 UTC  

The Confederate States simply lost was because they lost the Western Front.

2019-04-15 05:00:21 UTC  

It was a mixture. Minor military aid for another source of cotton would have been a sound investment for the British but yea it's another topic

2019-04-15 05:00:30 UTC  

Because despite that the east-confederate state are financially sound

2019-04-15 05:00:34 UTC  

a majority of western-confederate states were not

2019-04-15 05:00:42 UTC  

meanwhile in the north

2019-04-15 05:00:50 UTC  

the western and eastern northern states were all financially sound enough to wage a war

2019-04-15 05:01:01 UTC  

The Confederates lost because they didn't have the industrial capacity nor manpower to replenish losses, meanwhile the USA did

2019-04-15 05:01:11 UTC  

which was in the west

2019-04-15 05:01:18 UTC  

The Confederates and Union were stalemating at the Eastern Front

2019-04-15 05:01:26 UTC  

but the real decisive blow was at the Western Front