Message from @Billcat

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2019-04-15 04:43:55 UTC  

It's not like the Supremacy Clause is actually used nowadays

2019-04-15 04:44:00 UTC  

The Federal Government has a thing called block grants

2019-04-15 04:44:24 UTC  

Technically alcohol isn't illegal in the U.S. Government level

2019-04-15 04:44:31 UTC  

Any state can set their alcohol age restriction to any age they want

2019-04-15 04:44:44 UTC  

But if you want 1/2 of your transportation spending to be paid for, you'll have to set it to 21 or higher.

2019-04-15 04:45:27 UTC  

And I would consider that a large issue, state dependency on the federal government. It's genius really, make the states dependent on you for money in order to control state laws

2019-04-15 04:46:26 UTC  

For example, when the Obama administration introduced the healthy lunch program. Any school district that refused to participate risked losing federal funding, with the only schools able to ignore this being privately funded ones. It's really a scummy thing to do.

2019-04-15 04:46:50 UTC  

"Agree with us on every issue or we will cut you off of the money source we made you dependent on"

2019-04-15 04:47:59 UTC  

However, I think if the federal tax rate decreased and local government became increasingly more reliant on local taxes, then people would care more about local politics and overall being more involved. People take notice as to how much they are paying in taxes, money speaks volumes in that sense.

2019-04-15 04:48:34 UTC  

It's like weening a baby off of it's bottle. It's hard at first, since the baby is dependent on it, but once you've done it the baby now has more choices in what it can eat (not perfect but just an analogy)

2019-04-15 04:53:02 UTC  

LOL

2019-04-15 04:53:12 UTC  

The real problem is that

2019-04-15 04:53:15 UTC  

the state has to depend on the federal government

2019-04-15 04:53:20 UTC  

that's how the federal government know it won't secede

2019-04-15 04:53:29 UTC  

If a state ever said nah

2019-04-15 04:53:31 UTC  

we dont need that block grant

2019-04-15 04:53:32 UTC  

we're good

2019-04-15 04:53:43 UTC  

the federal government is immediately on lockdown "holy shit this state is actually wanting to be independent"

2019-04-15 04:55:20 UTC  

The concept keeping our union together is that the federal government provides the external defense while the states manage their internal affairs, it's the best of both worlds. A state would have no desire to succeed simply because they have the ability to freely manage internal affairs as they still don't have the ability to provide adequate external defense

2019-04-15 04:55:59 UTC  

Actually

2019-04-15 04:56:01 UTC  

My issue is when that federal government decides "We're going to both provide this external defense and also have extensive internal affair management as well."

2019-04-15 04:56:11 UTC  

A state would have a desire to secede if they realize they can be financially independent.

2019-04-15 04:56:15 UTC  

That's how the Civil War even started

2019-04-15 04:56:31 UTC  

hoping that the southern states thought they were independent enough to secede from the union

2019-04-15 04:56:37 UTC  

that they didnt even need those stupid tariffs affecting them

2019-04-15 04:56:43 UTC  

Financially independent does not equal ability to externally defend

2019-04-15 04:56:46 UTC  

they didnt need those damn anti-slavery politics

2019-04-15 04:57:17 UTC  

The southern states believed they would be able to externally defend with their combined might, say, a *Confederacy of states* if you will

2019-04-15 04:58:15 UTC  

hold up

2019-04-15 04:58:18 UTC  

you do realize you need an economy

2019-04-15 04:58:19 UTC  

for an army

2019-04-15 04:58:30 UTC  

I have never seen a nation able to have an army with no economy

2019-04-15 04:58:33 UTC  

They thought they were independent enough not to succeed and become a sovereign entity, but to form another competing group of states. That's why we saw USA vs CSA and not USA vs a dozen sovereign states

2019-04-15 04:58:36 UTC  

And yes, of course?

2019-04-15 04:58:43 UTC  

I've never said you don't need an economy for an army

2019-04-15 04:58:46 UTC  

The CSA thoguht they were financially independent enough

2019-04-15 04:58:56 UTC  

They were hoping the European powers would intervene

2019-04-15 04:58:57 UTC  

on their behalf

2019-04-15 04:59:05 UTC  

"because them southerners cotton were worth it"

2019-04-15 04:59:36 UTC  

Yes, that is true, they believed it would occur, however British distaste for slavery as well as technological advancements meant this never happened

2019-04-15 04:59:44 UTC  

Wasn't even a distaste for slavery