Message from @Techpriest

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2019-04-15 05:13:25 UTC  

They collect more taxes for the U.S. Government than the U.S. Government actually pays them back

2019-04-15 05:13:27 UTC  

You expect those high crusts in LA to ration water? Lol. But in all seriousness, even if a state does have the means, which only a few do, they do not have the desire, and wider financial independence / greater states rights would not change this.

2019-04-15 05:13:47 UTC  

which is why normally one state wouldn't secede

2019-04-15 05:13:49 UTC  

but a vast amount would

2019-04-15 05:14:09 UTC  

except Texas

2019-04-15 05:14:14 UTC  

they always seem to hold a random reefrendum

2019-04-15 05:14:17 UTC  

on whether they should secede

2019-04-15 05:14:25 UTC  

but the result is always 30% yes but 60% no

2019-04-15 05:14:34 UTC  

But most states don't have the desire, and financial independence / greater states rights would not change this, is my point

2019-04-15 05:14:34 UTC  

GG @Billcat, you just advanced to level 4!

2019-04-15 05:14:51 UTC  

think of it as this

2019-04-15 05:14:55 UTC  

what if trump suddenly said

2019-04-15 05:14:58 UTC  

FUCK ILLEGALS

2019-04-15 05:15:05 UTC  

we will kill all of the illegals

2019-04-15 05:15:05 UTC  

right now

2019-04-15 05:15:08 UTC  

Why would a group of states, in today's world, want to succeed, in order to form another union

2019-04-15 05:15:24 UTC  

California has already sanctuary cities in ensuring the federal government have no jurisdictions over these undocumented people.

2019-04-15 05:15:47 UTC  

California just needs enough sanctuary cities to get the state involved into becoming a sanctuary state.

2019-04-15 05:16:10 UTC  

I don't even know how to respond to that since it's not remotely realistic tbh

2019-04-15 05:16:13 UTC  

States only secede when there is a conflict of interest

2019-04-15 05:16:22 UTC  

South Carolina tried to when they were protesting muh tariffs

2019-04-15 05:16:25 UTC  

and Jackson literally btfo them out

2019-04-15 05:16:35 UTC  

Confederacy tried to secede to protest muh slavery

2019-04-15 05:16:37 UTC  

and Lincoln btfo them out

2019-04-15 05:16:45 UTC  

So whenever a state is going to secede

2019-04-15 05:16:51 UTC  

it's going to be some greater conflict of interest

2019-04-15 05:17:13 UTC  

Right, I agree. A state would not secede unless there was some great conflict

2019-04-15 05:17:24 UTC  

But a state would have to "assume" it is financially independent

2019-04-15 05:17:27 UTC  

to even secede in the first place

2019-04-15 05:17:43 UTC  

It's not like the other southern states wanted to secede like South Carolina did during Jackson's era.

2019-04-15 05:17:53 UTC  

But they werent' financially sound enough to do so like they thought

2019-04-15 05:18:00 UTC  

Some were just being admitted into the union

2019-04-15 05:19:22 UTC  

So if a state should ever try to secede

2019-04-15 05:19:29 UTC  

look to the states that are trying to be financially independent first

2019-04-15 05:19:32 UTC  

don't alienate them

2019-04-15 05:21:13 UTC  

Also for your link on united states treaties

2019-04-15 05:21:19 UTC  

after 1945, i haven't seen a ratification

2019-04-15 05:21:33 UTC  

I've seen Presidents signing them, Presidents agreeing them, Presidents abiding by them, but no Senate ratifying them. It's all about the executive agreements.

2019-04-15 05:23:00 UTC  

That's how even the War Powers Act was proposed and passed

2019-04-15 05:23:22 UTC  

because the Presidents were trying to sign agreements that weren't "legally-binding" like a treaty is.