>Texas

>Florida

California is probably the best example

since their GDP power is stronger than some of the European nations in the EU

Not really. States cannot manage treaties, for example. There are a ton of restrictions on what states can and cannot do

States cannot manage treaties

but when has the federal government actually manage treaties

lol

The new buzz word is called "agreements"

or "protocols"

In fact the U.S. has not been in a war or in any new political treaty since 1945.

Once again, I'm not arguing that a select few states couldn't "make it" as independent nations, i'm saying they have neither the desire nor the means to make it happen.

They have the means

they just don't have the desire

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_treaties

California can secede, but it needs fucking water

Exactly, so they don't have the means because they can't provide water, a basic need, on their own, and have no desire to do so

they do have the means

they just choose not to

they can provide clean water for the entire state if they rationed it and spent expensive equipments on purifying oceanic water

but they would rather not because they rather have colorado people complaining "why the fuck they stealing my water"

cuz water there is cheaper pepehands

It's not like California is actually unable to.

They collect more taxes for the U.S. Government than the U.S. Government actually pays them back

You expect those high crusts in LA to ration water? Lol. But in all seriousness, even if a state does have the means, which only a few do, they do not have the desire, and wider financial independence / greater states rights would not change this.

which is why normally one state wouldn't secede

but a vast amount would

except Texas

they always seem to hold a random reefrendum

on whether they should secede

but the result is always 30% yes but 60% no

But most states don't have the desire, and financial independence / greater states rights would not change this, is my point

GG @Billcat, you just advanced to level 4!

think of it as this

what if trump suddenly said

FUCK ILLEGALS

we will kill all of the illegals

right now

Why would a group of states, in today's world, want to succeed, in order to form another union

California has already sanctuary cities in ensuring the federal government have no jurisdictions over these undocumented people.

California just needs enough sanctuary cities to get the state involved into becoming a sanctuary state.