Message from @Green Syndicalism

Discord ID: 582808971363221514


2019-05-28 05:52:22 UTC  

rather than particular number

2019-05-28 05:52:24 UTC  

BUT

2019-05-28 05:52:35 UTC  

that just promotes insecurity

2019-05-28 05:52:38 UTC  

i know

2019-05-28 05:52:43 UTC  

so if we did have to use a number

2019-05-28 05:52:49 UTC  

we dont have to mandate nationalisation

2019-05-28 05:52:53 UTC  

it can be mutualisation

2019-05-28 05:53:06 UTC  

ie the workers all get a slice of the revenues

2019-05-28 05:53:16 UTC  

but you know what we can do to keep the incentives in place?

2019-05-28 05:53:26 UTC  

we allow the original owner to have the same piece he had before

2019-05-28 05:53:52 UTC  

so there is still inequality generated by successful entrepreneurship

2019-05-28 05:53:58 UTC  

but its capped

2019-05-28 05:54:01 UTC  

it doeswent work like that

2019-05-28 05:54:09 UTC  

yea so then debunk it bud

2019-05-28 05:54:21 UTC  

owner has 100% of the shares

2019-05-28 05:54:28 UTC  

now you give the company to the people

2019-05-28 05:54:35 UTC  

but he still has the same amount of shares?

2019-05-28 05:54:39 UTC  

does not compute

2019-05-28 05:54:39 UTC  

no omfg

2019-05-28 05:54:39 UTC  

GG @Green Syndicalism, you just advanced to level 2!

2019-05-28 05:54:46 UTC  

okay let me make it clearer

2019-05-28 05:54:54 UTC  

say you hold 100 shares

2019-05-28 05:55:04 UTC  

and your net revenues are say $100

2019-05-28 05:55:30 UTC  

each share is worth about $1 in net revenue

2019-05-28 05:55:42 UTC  

if $100 was the mutualisation or nationalisation mark

2019-05-28 05:56:34 UTC  

we hand everyone in the company 1 share each, but each share is divided amongst the net profits *above the $100 in net revenue*

2019-05-28 05:56:46 UTC  

so the owner's shares are fundamentally worth a different amount to the newly issued shares

2019-05-28 05:56:51 UTC  

and they are left untouched

2019-05-28 05:57:10 UTC  

you know how in capitalism we have different classes of shares?

2019-05-28 05:57:14 UTC  

preference shares

2019-05-28 05:57:17 UTC  

class A shares

2019-05-28 05:57:19 UTC  

class B shares

2019-05-28 05:57:29 UTC  

similar concept

2019-05-28 05:58:11 UTC  

so your practice still doesent change anything. People have nothing to gain

2019-05-28 05:58:17 UTC  

no they do

2019-05-28 05:58:36 UTC  

the owner still gets 1 share of the new class

2019-05-28 05:58:42 UTC  

so he still gets a piece of all future profits

2019-05-28 05:59:15 UTC  

but regardless, the point is that beyond a certain business value, the business itself is more than just 1 person providing the bulk of the value

2019-05-28 05:59:27 UTC  

its about the workers to a larger degree

2019-05-28 05:59:31 UTC  

you do know that lower class stocks have no voting power?

2019-05-28 05:59:38 UTC  

yes