and they re-structure when needed

if you dont have to ship off billions to shareholders, you get more for the workers

@Green Syndicalism because thats called an investment

yep and if you change the nature of investment from favouring couch potato old fucks, to giving the workers the capital, you get a *better and happier workforce*

workers just have no capital

these potatoes have hundreds of millions

even billions

thats my fucking point

workers dont

yes so revolution

reset the system

and if you give workers that money, then 1 in 2 will happen

a) inflation
b) these workers themselves become couch potatoes

anyways

I gtg to work

we have an audit

no they wont become couch potatoes because they only are allowed shares if *they are actually working for the company*

and yea, youll get higher inflation than 1.7% or whatever it is now

but in a system where wages are higher and increase faster

thats fine

it only hurts old people because savings are depleted faster

but guess what

its socialism

GG @Green Syndicalism, you just advanced to level 3!

we have stronger pensions

We'll also go into more debt due to increased government spending. Also higher wages isn't a good option price is subjective and you're basically inflating it.

Also inflation is extremely bad you're basically devaluing currency making everyone's worth less and less

Gold standard time

Stop listening to Keynes he's bad for you

okay but you dont get how government revenues work in socialism do you

lets start from the top

you know what happens when you nationalise big companies?

*governments control its profits*

and since youll have a shitload of SOEs, you dont actually have to increase debt to get more government revenue, *you will naturally have more revenue from the SOEs*

when i refer to higher wages, *im talking about higher wages with respect to inflation*

The problem with nationalization is you are essentially making the business a monopoly. Completely exempt from all forms of competition.

you know why competition is good?

Because it makes businesses have to conform to consumer demand or else they will lag behind and eventually fail. With nationalization you also run into the handshake problem.

right on, but guess what

in market socialism, *not all businesses have to be government owned*

ie *competition still exists*