Message from @possumsquat93

Discord ID: 443928047142436864


2018-05-09 23:55:21 UTC  

So, research seems to indicate that people have variations on how quickly and how much progress they can make.

2018-05-09 23:58:15 UTC  

fine, i'll just assume all those studies took those people from birth, and made them grow up the exact same, just to see the exact inherited differences.

2018-05-09 23:59:02 UTC  

Are you going to argue that bone structure and metabolic rate are environmental?

2018-05-09 23:59:27 UTC  

You're moving towards the point of genetics meaning nothing, and they most certainly mean *something*.

2018-05-10 00:04:16 UTC  

they do mean something. i don't think we have come close to sequencing the entire genome, and cataloging all their interaction. But we know at least some of these genes appear to have an on off switches, and i'm curious how the environment, particularly while still developing, affects that.

2018-05-10 00:05:21 UTC  

Tim is basically explaining that "purge" episode of rick and morty 😛

2018-05-10 00:06:09 UTC  

I wouldn't argue against that being a factor in a genetic lineage

2018-05-10 00:06:11 UTC  

genes do much, but ingesting chemicals while young will do more.

2018-05-10 00:06:38 UTC  

so i still question research that is still more or less correlation

2018-05-10 00:06:54 UTC  

use it more as a guideline rather than the rule

2018-05-10 00:07:11 UTC  

You're asking for a branch of science that's been deemed unethical.

2018-05-10 00:07:36 UTC  

yes, i am

2018-05-10 00:07:43 UTC  

bit a problem, isn't it?

2018-05-10 00:08:04 UTC  

Aside from that, we can actually study similarities between the parent and offspring, and figure out where bone structure and the like came from.

2018-05-10 00:08:18 UTC  

In the same way you can generally trace hair, skin, and eye tones.

2018-05-10 00:08:39 UTC  

It's exceptionally easy to observe the differences skin deep

2018-05-10 00:09:40 UTC  

But to imply that we haven't done what we could to confirm genetic traits without turning children into lab rats... which we HAVE done similar shit with lab rats...

2018-05-10 00:09:53 UTC  

I mean...

2018-05-10 00:10:48 UTC  

Here's what I think the bottom line is... IQ and Knowledge are not the same thing.

2018-05-10 00:11:10 UTC  

just as physical potential and actual physical status aren't the same.

2018-05-10 00:11:34 UTC  

Yes, the on/off thing is epigenetics, I believe. "Genes load the gun, but environment pulls the trigger."

2018-05-10 00:12:09 UTC  

but if we want to get back to IQ, if there is one part of the body we probably know the least about, its still the brain. and I still question the value of IQ tests out side of correlation without causation. That, to me, is an interesting fact with no real use yet, aside from telling the obvious: growing up poor, uneducated, in a cesspool, does nothing to help a person.

2018-05-10 00:12:38 UTC  

IQ tests measure capability of an individual to recognize patterns, mostly.

2018-05-10 00:12:58 UTC  

so we think, anyway.

2018-05-10 00:13:20 UTC  

i mean, how do you test the tests to make sure they actually answer the question you think they do?

2018-05-10 00:14:31 UTC  

testing muscles is pretty easy. Can you pick up this thing that ways x.

2018-05-10 00:23:21 UTC  

oh shit! its blowing up in syria

2018-05-10 00:23:37 UTC  

explosions all over demascus

2018-05-10 00:23:38 UTC  

when did it stop blowing up?

2018-05-10 00:24:01 UTC  

bombing in mezze airport in demascus

2018-05-10 00:24:53 UTC  

also missile cache in israel blown up

2018-05-10 00:25:12 UTC  

its turned up to 11

2018-05-10 00:25:18 UTC  

in the last 3 minutes

2018-05-10 00:29:33 UTC  

power outages in the capital

2018-05-10 00:29:55 UTC  

its going down .... right now

2018-05-10 00:30:23 UTC  

@Timcast bring the live stream back up 😛 shits going down 😃