when we say murderers we are referring to 1st degree is that correct?

If given the proper rehabilitation they can become hard workers

And model citizens

these people can be a asset. you dont have to like them just let them work

But you cannot have that rehabilitation

You can though

maybe from a utopian standpoint

we do not have that power

Look at Norway

therapy?

you are arguing from a Utopia

We are not Norway

They have rehabilitative prisons

okay

@michael not exactly. im not saying no death penalty more like only to the ones who have not changed.

And they have rehabilitated murders to be model citizens

We are still not Norway

What we talking bout here

@Deleted User death

Granted you cannot do this in America cuz you guys don’t want high taxes

That does not argue against my stance

Oof how so?

@rory

If you want to get rid of the death penalty

first you have to fix the system

@Deleted User the death penalty

Oh no keep it

i want to limit it

Didn’t you say that you couldn’t rehabilitate them

the system is for punitive justice

In america you cannot

that was my point

Jk don’t keep it

People shouldn’t be killed for their crimes

And that their crimes are so vile that they should receive the death penalty either way

@michael you are acting like prisons cant change.

That I did argue for

yes

I prefer torture

Lol why

@Deleted User the fuck?