Message from @CreativeRealms

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2018-05-23 18:56:41 UTC  

It's protected.

2018-05-23 18:57:10 UTC  

being an asshole and determining if their screeching is valid is subjective.

2018-05-23 18:57:25 UTC  

hence why it never looks good, regardless of how justified it might be

2018-05-23 18:57:38 UTC  

I wonder if Twitter artificially bumping up negative replies on Trumps Twitter and hiding positive ones also violates 1A rights if his Twitter is a public space.

2018-05-23 18:58:28 UTC  

i think there is a difference between twitter blocking their users from talking and trump doing it.

2018-05-23 18:58:36 UTC  

its their platform, their rules.

2018-05-23 18:59:04 UTC  

But if his twitter is considered a public forum it might be different.

2018-05-23 18:59:16 UTC  

well thats the question

2018-05-23 18:59:52 UTC  

because him not being allowed to block people is a restriction on his conduct while on the job of president

2018-05-23 18:59:58 UTC  

According to that it is a public forum.

2018-05-23 19:00:12 UTC  

then twitter has lost control of their platform

2018-05-23 19:00:32 UTC  

what are the "public form" doctrines

2018-05-23 19:00:51 UTC  

I agree. It doesn't look good. Though it's a private account, one that he controls. If that account is going to be considered a public platform, would his be the only one being affected by it?

2018-05-23 19:00:59 UTC  

nope

2018-05-23 19:01:00 UTC  

can't

2018-05-23 19:01:11 UTC  

thinkabout everyone who was banned from twitter

2018-05-23 19:01:17 UTC  

this sets a huge prescendence

2018-05-23 19:01:36 UTC  

if it's a public forum, how can you be banned strictly due to speech

2018-05-23 19:02:23 UTC  

save for the whole digital equivilent of yelling fire

2018-05-23 19:02:35 UTC  

```A public forum is a place that has, by tradition or practice, been held out for general use by the public for speech-related purposes.

To determine which of the standards of student expression applies in a given case, many courts first conduct a "public forum analysis." The public forum analysis determines whether individuals may have access to places for communicative purposes.1

There are three types of public forums:

I. A "traditional", or "open, public forum" is a place with a long tradition of freedom of expression, such as a public park or a street corner. The government can normally impose only content-neutral time, place, and manner restrictions on speech in a public forum. Restrictions on speech in a public forum that are based on content will be struck down, unless the government can show the restriction is necessary to further a compelling governmental interest.

II. A "limited public forum" or "designated public forum" is a place with a more limited history of expressive activity, usually only for certain groups or topics. Examples of a limited public forum would include a university meeting hall or a city-owned theater. The government can limit access to certain types of speakers in a limited public forum, or limit the use of such facilities for certain subjects. Despite these more proscriptive guidelines, however, a governmental institution may still not restrict expression at a limited forum unless that restriction serves a "compelling interest."

III. A "closed public forum" is a place that, traditionally, has not been open to public expression, such as a jail or a military base. Governmental restrictions on access to a nonpublic forum will be upheld as long as they are reasonable and not based on a desire to suppress a particular viewpoint. This standard is far more deferential to government officials.```

2018-05-23 19:02:51 UTC  

keep in mind, the first amendment is government censorship of free speech

2018-05-23 19:03:00 UTC  

no, its not

2018-05-23 19:03:04 UTC  

Tim even did a video on it

2018-05-23 19:03:19 UTC  

he did a video on free speech

2018-05-23 19:03:29 UTC  

and he pointed out exactly what you just said was not right

2018-05-23 19:04:30 UTC  

pretty sure he didn't, but lets see, its this one right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHoBsMx-U0w

2018-05-23 19:05:02 UTC  

it might be that one

2018-05-23 19:05:10 UTC  

hes done a ton of them on free speech haha

2018-05-23 19:06:16 UTC  

I think he even reference the XKCD comic

2018-05-23 19:06:36 UTC  

wait, let me make sure that phrasing was clear. 1A is protection from government censorship of free speech. but not guaranteed free speech.

2018-05-23 19:07:44 UTC  

but lets look at the actual amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

the government cannot abridge free speech.

2018-05-23 19:08:03 UTC  

Tim pool: "First Amendment is protection of free speech from the government" <this

2018-05-23 19:08:29 UTC  

twitter is not the government. Trump, however IS the government.

2018-05-23 19:08:37 UTC  

technically its just congress cant make any laws about it... doesnt mean they wont do without making a technical law

2018-05-23 19:09:00 UTC  

(by they I mean the gov in general)

2018-05-23 19:09:35 UTC  

also Executive orders bypass congress dont they?

2018-05-23 19:09:53 UTC  

so that could be another route

2018-05-23 19:11:04 UTC  

I would need to read up on what limits an executive order may have.

2018-05-23 19:12:05 UTC  

it terms of the constitution, it may just count as overriding any vote to make a law. but if that law violates the constitution on what congress can pass, then it still fails

2018-05-23 19:13:56 UTC  

"In the United States, an executive order is a directive issued by the President of the United States that manages operations of the federal government and has the force of law.[1] The legal or constitutional basis for executive orders has multiple sources. Article Two of the United States Constitution gives the president broad executive and enforcement authority to use their discretion to determine how to enforce the law or to otherwise manage the resources and staff of the executive branch. The ability to make such orders is also based on express or implied Acts of Congress that delegate to the President some degree of discretionary power (delegated legislation)"