Trump is both useful and dangerous to The Establishment at the same time.

Bernie represents everything anti-establishment, so in some ways he's a bigger threat

Idk, I agree but I find the narrative problem to be far more egregious on the left these days.

Not really, he's kind of bought into the whole PC stuff wholesale this time around. I feel like this might actually improve his chances in this election as opposed to 2016

He isn't exactly the outlier like he was in the last election

In 2016 he did Paul as soundly pimp slapping Trump with the wind. The DNC didn't want any of that though. Sabotage Tim in the media, during debates, even went as far as to feed questions in advance to Hillary.

The Republicans had an easy time controlling the narrative through all that. They are struggling and showing blatantly they're lying during the impeachment hearings.

I think it will be more of what the Democratic party does once to hearings are over, cuz they know the Senate won't allow impeachment trials to go forward.

The Senate most likely won't move forward with conviction, but honestly that's probably more on the grounds of the evidence in favor of Trump committing illegal activity being flimsy at best rather than from political bias. I mean you can argue that some of the republicans are lying, I don't know enough about that, but good god this is just embarrassing.

At the DNC sabotages himself again, they will hand the wind to Trump.

Yeah the coverage in news tends to be nicer and meaner to certain people

Yep, because the Ukraine scandal appears as of right now to be nothing more than Trump being retarded and mismanaging the situation as normal and the democrats looking desperate, they aren't going to be able to stop Trump from running again in 2020. Which is pretty fucking sad that they can't beat *this guy,* I mean for god's sake they're practically handing him the fucking win. They would have had a better chance at not pursing this impeachment at all and beating him in the polls, he now has a 50% approval rating because of this.

Meanwhile, someone like mayor Pete is what the establishment is looking for.

Even his sort of political base, the status of the economy, could very well turn against him in the future, and yet he's being handed the win.

Because of this trade war shit

This is why I hate politics

And yet I promised myself to pay attention about a decade ago. Sometimes I wonder if im better off ignorant of politics

I think this is the best political system for the people, but boy does it have it's faults. Most of the bullshit happening in congress, for instance, could probably be rectified by having limited congressional terms.

Why the fuck do we not have that?

Yeah right?

Probably because I seen how the Sheep will get steered around whatever their political persuasion.

Much as I hate it, I hate being them even more.

True to an extent, but on the plus side a majority of the public distrusts politics and the media coverage on it. Most people at least know theres something up.

Maybe the voting public will study and vet their candidates then. We are part of the problem after all

Yeah, and better yet steer more towards the moderate center rather than extreme fringes of the parties so that we don't get these types of candidates in the first place. The Democrats especially need to work on this, the push towards far left policies is what drove me out of the party and closer to the center in 2016 (which, interestingly is actually closer to the center republicans today than the democrats, as they've become a lot more moderate recently) although I remain unaligned to either party because fuck the party system

Ok two things to fix our political system; no parties like what we have today, and congressional term limits.

It's not very representative of the country either, the 2 party system.

Yeah, it kind of forces the public to choose essentially just two options. If the parties weren't the clusterfucks that they were today and were actually decent then I would be relatively fine with this, but it's a problem

Choosing between the lesser of two evils, that got old the first time I voted.

The voting itself and the electoral college themselves though I'm generally fine with, it's constitutional and is good in theory (preventing outright mob rule and all), it's just that the candidates and parties going *through* this need to be better.

Eh

Hopefully the Epstein case will involve all these politicians so we can clear house<:laugh:583238348077006869>

So does everyone trapped in theirbubble, me included on occasion

Failure to step out of our preferred tribe, is what allows this system to persist.

And mixing religion so heavily with politics doesn't help, but that's its own discussion

Joking, of course, but seriously this Epstein case could actually be pretty huge

What has a number of people involved, we'll probably hear more the dirty details on what those guards did

Oh yeah religion outside of basic moral points has no place in politics itself

Also yeah, that's why I'm a centrist

centrists rise up

<:haha:583236087137435659>