Both are very anti establishment

in a liberal way?

or just a "the system needs a change" way?

5 star is definitely the later

(by liberal I just mean less government)

Yeah 5 star is not that

They want socialist policies

so left-liberal

I think one of those is the state guaranteed income meme

That actualy was in their coalition treaty

I was againt universal income at first... but recently I changed my mind

wut

u gotta be kiddin

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/08/italians-queue-promised-free-money-government-stalemate-continues/amp/

so at first I was like... all that will do is recent what zero mean.. so like.. if everyone gets $400 and theres no welfare... eventually $400 will be the new zero - as inflation skyrockets

😔

I wish i was kidding lol

which will be terrible for the poor... BUT... as a country it will be able to import good very cheaply - and the companies within the country will make huge profits

universal basic income has to come from some place

it would come from people that actually work

so basically... universal income will be reeeeally bad for the poor... but for everyone else who works it will be great!

then those ppl would just go to other country

then there would be no money for universal basic income

Dozens of people in Italy turned up at job centres to demand the guaranteed minimum income promised by the Five Star Movement – despite the fact that the party is not even in government yet.

The anti-establishment party’s campaign promise of a minimum monthly salary of €780 (£695) was credited by many analysts as one of the reasons it achieved such a resounding victory in southern Italy, where youth unemployment can exceed 50 per cent.

why would people move to another country?

because in order to give free money to lazy slobs u gotta heavily tax useful ppl

at the moment you are paying for welfare and getting nothing... with universal income you still pay the same... but you get some back

and they wont like it

no u dont pay the same

only some ppl are in welfare

with universal basic income it would be A LOT of ppl

im against welfare anyway

yeah... but this is what they are saying... they wont increase the welfare budget

theyll get rid of all the admin involved and pay out to everyone an average

Its a very bad idea

prob just a lie to get the poor ppl to vote for them

take the US for example... their medicare budget per capita is $8508 per person.... but in the UK theres no admin... so its only $3500 per capita and everyone gets healthcare

Well in any case italy has economic rules in their constitution

And the plans broke those

so its actually cheaper

and runs more smoothly