i like that one

Whether gay people get married or not is the churches problem

fuck, its the couples problem

Govt should deal in unions.

who gives anyone else the authority to decide if you can call someone a husband or wife?

Everyone is entitled to one.

why is the government involved at all?

Instead of playing the one-upmanship game, find a new game.

get the government out of my bedroom.

oh shhhhhheeeeiiiiiiit https://twitter.com/Scott_Helme/status/1003671094111457280?s=20

no union, no marriage license, i get to decide who my partner is.

The tax benefits of what's currently called marriage are important

But they need to be separated from religious rite

correct

@RyeNorth but why does the state even offer those benefits?

Joint filing of taxes?

Legally defined shared households?

but why?

The right of the espoused to be considered family when it comes to hospital choices,and inheritance?

Those are impactful

And I'm just grazing the tip of it

what is the point of these? why require paying money to the government just for THEM to recognizing what YOU are already doing? Why are you not just telling them this is how it is?

why does the government have the power to just change that on you?

I mean...

"we no longer allow unions for your situation"

Marriage is an option.

why is that even an option?

I'm not proposing any radical changes other than secularizing a federal system

you are missing the point entirely. I get what they do, but why are you giving the government that power? Why are you not just writing these things down and the government is just forced to recognize it.

That opens the door to all kinds of fraud...

The government hands out the benefits associated with being married and as such they have the right to keep a record of who receives their benefits

Plus ive never heard of anyone being turned down when they asked for a marriage license

There is nothing to prevent you from just living with someone anyway

And common law marriage is a thing, too

But the legal establishment of these things protects the participants against fraud, among other things.

fraud of what? benefits they are giving out for really no reason?

why was marriage even made a government thing in the first place?

what do they get out of it/

They encourage people to have children would be my guess

The path of reasoning you're on with this seems like it's anarchal in nature.

then they have a lot of freeloaders if its for children