if all the power they need was in governemnt they would try to be the governemnt rather than rely on it

which is the case

they are trying to be the government, did you not notice the that a lot of tech companies like google backed NN?

but in our democracy we try to fight against that as a society

because it meant their competition, ISP companies, wouldn't be able to fight them by blocking their traffic

you notice a lot of companys backed ending NN too

its because they arnt a monolith

yes, they are fighting out their fights in the government, rather than the market.

because its cheaper

and that means we suffer as well as their competition

they fight in the market CONSTANTLY

yeah, and regulation means they don't HAVE to fight on that front anymore

regulation means they can fight with regulation

but thats actually slower

if we had no regulation we would have monoploy

Well, Grenade. In London the police claim they no longer have the resources to fight many crimes (like simple robbery and muggings) [maybe in part because they have all those hate social media crimes to eradicate). So now some people have had to resort to this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5346699/First-private-police-force-caught-400-criminals.html

the united states has been through this shit before my nigga

@Arch-Fiend ISPs have regulations and are monopolies BECAUSE of that

they have all kinds of laws they backed in place to make it so they can basically kick anyone out of any town.

isp's arnt monopolys because of regulation

not even google could compete

@Arch-Fiend i have 1, maybe two choices in ISPs where i live. how is that NOT a monoploy?

google isint in the same market as isps

google fiber

try again

they are monopolys, but its not because of regulation

well true, its also in part because the government gave them free money to "upgrade"

and google backs NN

yet arnt part of the monopoly that NN effects

yeah, after they stopped expanding google fiber

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also nn is not the regulation that even touches upon that

the regulations that do touch upon that end up being down in state or local governments.

what regulations is it that facilitates monopoly in your mind?

much like car dealerships

also mind you, you have to pick regulations which dont prevent existing companys from having even more power to stomp out compatition

@Arch-Fiend you'll have to wait for me to get home before i dig up all the state and local ordinances that do just that

since i don't keep them saved 24/7

i think most of the regulations that stand in the way of people starting their own bussinesses to compete with the larger businesses are regulations that protect the consumer such as "to start a bussiness you need these expessive things otherwise alternitives would be putting the consumer at risk" which i think you could make an argument that insted we could go with buyer beware and require bussinesses to always explain to their consumers exactly how they are different from their competitors including "we use alternitives that the governemnt thinks is putting you at risk"

although the car dealership example is pretty easy, since i know laws that exist in some of the states around me that state it is illegal for a car manufacturer to sell directly to customers, they must go through a dealership that is not owned by them.

its why Tesla doesn't sell their cars in some states and had to jump through 18 hoops in another