Message from @wacka

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2018-06-12 15:57:56 UTC  

alt is reactionary

2018-06-12 15:58:26 UTC  

its to mean you nonestablisment verson of a political spectrum

2018-06-12 15:58:43 UTC  

because multiple consiterations put people on the same point of a political compass

2018-06-12 15:59:05 UTC  

the establishment is irrelevant to the spectrum

2018-06-12 15:59:33 UTC  

its not irrelevant to how people collectivize outside the spectrum

2018-06-12 15:59:58 UTC  

if the "alt-right" just mean they want an ethno-state.... then theyre white nationalists... which is on the authoritarian scale

2018-06-12 16:00:28 UTC  

thats not what the alt-right "just mean"s though which is why they arnt that

2018-06-12 16:00:44 UTC  

also ethnonationalism isint the same thing as white nationalism

2018-06-12 16:00:53 UTC  

they still fit on the spectrum.. theres no need for "alt"

2018-06-12 16:01:31 UTC  

you could have a "party" called the alt-right ... but the spectrum is the spectrum

2018-06-12 16:01:35 UTC  

alt doesent define a position on the spectrum it defines a position of people who are on the same spectrum as other people but disagree fundomentally

2018-06-12 16:02:23 UTC  

its simply a reactionist group against establishment

2018-06-12 16:02:41 UTC  

which are no better defined as a whole than "alt"

2018-06-12 16:03:15 UTC  

thing is ... right has nothing to do with anything about ethnicity... its merely an economical scale

2018-06-12 16:03:52 UTC  

basically what they are... if they are capitalist ... they are auth-right...

2018-06-12 16:04:34 UTC  

the broader political scale takes into consiteration more than economics, whether or not it should is a matter of debate but anyone who has taken a political compass test can assert that more than economical questions are asked

2018-06-12 16:05:08 UTC  

yes, thats for auth and libertarian scales too

2018-06-12 16:05:45 UTC  

which is the social scale

2018-06-12 16:06:27 UTC  

watch the political compass' intro video... it actually explains it all there

2018-06-12 16:07:23 UTC  

most of the time alt righters tend to simply consiter themselves conservitives who arnt neo-cons

2018-06-12 16:09:08 UTC  

the only thing I would say polComp got wrong in my opinion.. is when it said "100% left" means the government would control all services etc .. when really that would be "100% auth, 100% left" .. whereas you could have 100% lib, 100% left where there may not be a government

2018-06-12 16:10:27 UTC  

but although we've had many instances of 100% auth left and right civilisations which went badly... Im not sure there are any examples of "100% lib left or right"

2018-06-12 16:11:15 UTC  

ancaps or ancons?

2018-06-12 16:11:24 UTC  

there wouldn't be because then it wouldn't be a civilization

2018-06-12 16:11:26 UTC  

we havent had many anarchys

2018-06-12 16:11:38 UTC  

it could still be a civ

2018-06-12 16:11:54 UTC  

can't have a civilization without borders really, because how would you define where it starts and ends?

2018-06-12 16:12:20 UTC  

you'd also need to define a scale

2018-06-12 16:12:29 UTC  

inb4 gypsies, thats a stretch of the definition of nation

2018-06-12 16:12:30 UTC  

I suppose the native americans could be seen as 100% lib

2018-06-12 16:12:43 UTC  

native americans had territorys

2018-06-12 16:12:47 UTC  

but, they had their own tribes, a form of government

2018-06-12 16:12:55 UTC  

how big or small can something be

2018-06-12 16:13:11 UTC  

you could have a household or town that is 100% lib, does it count?

2018-06-12 16:13:31 UTC  

the idea that native americans didint beleive in the ownership of land is a myth in many cases and in others its because they had just recently gone through a territorial war

2018-06-12 16:14:15 UTC  

how could they not believe in ownership of land and want their land back?

2018-06-12 16:14:22 UTC  

what the native americas had more issue with was changing the land from what it was into something that it wasent and messing with the ecology they had grown dependent on

2018-06-12 16:14:40 UTC  

like with the railroad or overhunting

2018-06-12 16:15:15 UTC  

perhaps even building settlements seemed strange to them, but they KNEW who's land was the land of different tribes

2018-06-12 16:15:25 UTC  

thats why you found markers made by them

2018-06-12 16:16:15 UTC  

maybe in 30 years muslims will let you have your own bit of land with a casino