more of a starship troopers kind of guy? 😄

girl but i get the reference. i dont nessicaraly think the vote should be religated to those who do military service, though that would be a qualifier, though just the same id divide military organization into professional army and milita and either would qualify for a vote but also i think some other national social services could be appropriate. i just think that people should demonstrate their willingness to be responcible with regards to the nation when given the power to have effect on the nation. though youd also have to fix a lot of the other corruption of the democratic system so that votes actually matter too

also its an opt in system not a disqualification system. you can never have your voting rights revoked (though the same limitations put on them that already exist still apply like being a prisoner) however you can choose to opt in at any point in your life after adulthood

problem with "do x to vote" is that you can potentially restrict people from doing x

this would be a system you could not restrict. besides we already technicly do that, you cant vote unless your a citizine, this would simply add another hoop to that, yes it can be corrupted and people will try to corrupt it but people will try to corrupt anything.

basicly the law itself has to change for more restictions to be added than what ive already stated

as what ive stated would be an added restriction

so my statement that its a ssytem you could not restrict isint entirely true because the system is defined as a restriction in of itself

the natural idea of creating any system is that you fine tune it with redudencys to prevent its undermining, however that also means that pointing out how it can be underminded isint an argument against that system unless a solution cant be found to prevent that corruption. but that also means a blanket statement about a system being corruptible can be applied to every system including the status quo so its meaningless without an example given that specifys the exploit

The thing is, you start from the default "no one can vote" while the current system has the default "everyone can vote"* both need exceptions but in my opinion to say "if you do xyz you are disqualified" is the better way to do it because you are punishing bad behavior and are not forcing people to do anything**. Stay out of trouble and you can vote.

*with the limitation of citizens but that is needed

**well... register to vote...

i'm also a firm beliver in having mandatory ID Cards (that are not drivers licenses) for everyone and requiring people to bring them to the voting booth

i rather promote good behavure rather than punish bad behavure, or do both. people respect what they have when they earn it, refusing to do something wrong is only an accomplishment in a world that the pressure to do something wrong is high

you live in a society where the pressure to do something wrong is high 😉

thats not a good society is it?

Well, wrong is subjective

it is, and it isn't 😄

we do in theory enforce a standard of right and wrong on all people we monitor within the country however

still i think that giving some effert for all people in the nation to strive to have the power to control the fate of the nation gives that power more respect and also inspires people to use it more. as you recall theres pretty poor voting turnouts

Dank and sargon are making a huge mistake IMO on joining UKIP

its going to split the vote and Labour actually could have a chance now...

what they SHOULD have done... (IMO) ... is join the liberal democrats and tried bringing them back to their libertarian roots.... also it would be hilarious when people call them far right - and theyre part of what is generally thought of as a far left party

@wacka Theres also the point that who has been at every really? Who has spoken out the loudest from the start? Anne Marie Waters. This is a big slap in the face to her and a massive set back for For Britain. Tommy is good friends with her. I can't see him joining UKIP but I don't know the man.

Sargon 4 UK prime minister

no!

The man got beat by Fisty Splinters. He would have no chance in the House

all of these parties just take votes from the tories ... basically we'll just end up with Labour in power

time to sell your home

buy MREs... they'll be extremely valuable soon

you can trade them in the breadlines

Im in a 5yr fixed mortgage... wonder what the cost of selling up would be :/

So whats UKIP?

In a few words?

A single issue party of getting the UK out of the EU

as it actually is? or how the media and normal folk see it?

As it actually is

If I wanted to see the media slant, ill look into a septic tank

yah basically UK independence party... wants independence

as the media sees it... a far-right racist party

But what is its goals a views beyond that?