Message from LOLTRON in Subverse #newsroom


2018-07-03 12:29:58 UTC  

Lawyer and plumbers are also old jobs

2018-07-03 12:30:01 UTC  

It may be something they do, but I don't agree its a responsibility of the government..

2018-07-03 12:31:25 UTC  

A government's job is to protect its border, and defend citizens rights to property.

2018-07-03 12:31:29 UTC  

That's fundamentally it

2018-07-03 12:31:34 UTC  

Everything else is scope creep.

2018-07-03 12:31:39 UTC  

@LOLTRON agree

2018-07-03 12:32:43 UTC  

And i am coming from a position where I am okay with government delivering critical services like energy, health care and infrastructure... But i don't think the government should be unilaterally tracking its citizens.

2018-07-03 12:32:49 UTC  

what good can come from that?

2018-07-03 12:35:03 UTC  

you cant protect the border without identification

2018-07-03 12:35:25 UTC  

unless you have a wall of fire around it

2018-07-03 12:35:36 UTC  

but then that keeps your own people inside

2018-07-03 12:35:51 UTC  

doesent really respect their freedom

2018-07-03 12:36:48 UTC  

I'm not saying the government doesn't need to have a record of its citizens. But i do think they don't need biometrics

2018-07-03 12:36:57 UTC  

biometrics just allows them to track citizens more easily

2018-07-03 12:37:06 UTC  

I don't think tracking citizens should be somethign that can be done easily

2018-07-03 12:37:10 UTC  

it should be hard, and expensive

2018-07-03 12:38:18 UTC  

explain how its easier for a government to track with biometrics

2018-07-03 12:39:13 UTC  

Biometrics includes facial recognition data.

2018-07-03 12:39:20 UTC  

DNA is but one element of biometrics

2018-07-03 12:40:01 UTC  

I have a friend who works for a multinational that sells facial recognition tech to government. They are throwing millions at this tech...

2018-07-03 12:40:05 UTC  

They want it everywhere.

2018-07-03 12:41:52 UTC  

see thats the thing "they want it everywhere" is the tracking part

2018-07-03 12:41:53 UTC  

It's not enough to say that "I haven't done anything wrong, so i have nothign to fear...", knowing you are under constant surveillance can heavily influence behaviour of people who haven't done anything wrong.

2018-07-03 12:42:44 UTC  

if facial recognition was only used during the same instances where normal identification is also used then it would be no more effective at tracking people than normal identification

2018-07-03 12:43:25 UTC  

howeveri f you increase the demand for identification, essentaully putting more activitys behind a identification wall, it doesent matter what kind of id is used

2018-07-03 12:43:34 UTC  

All that's required to do facial recognition is a photo.

2018-07-03 12:44:07 UTC  

humans actually recognize faces better than machines do

2018-07-03 12:44:24 UTC  

I'm not sure that's true any more

2018-07-03 12:44:30 UTC  

i have evidence

2018-07-03 12:44:38 UTC  

Citation required

2018-07-03 12:44:41 UTC  

"I haven't done anything wrong, so i have nothing to fear..."

given the number of laws, its a pretty good chance you HAVE done something wrong.

2018-07-03 12:44:54 UTC  

hell, even most people technically speed all day

2018-07-03 12:44:54 UTC  

^ thats probably true

2018-07-03 12:45:14 UTC  

but that doesn't justify mass surveillance.

2018-07-03 12:46:07 UTC  

security vs convenience vs privacy is a battle that rages all the time and there is no right answer

2018-07-03 12:49:35 UTC  

The company my mate works for, the system they deploy has >98% accuracy.

2018-07-03 12:49:49 UTC  

with 1 photo as a source

2018-07-03 12:50:14 UTC  

Granted, people have been matching faces for thousands of years, and are hard wired to do it...

2018-07-03 12:50:22 UTC  

A significant portion of the brain is dedicated to it

2018-07-03 12:50:37 UTC  

That doesn't make the risks of biometric tracking any less concerning