Message from @Ace K

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2018-10-24 20:36:41 UTC  

See Max Boot.

2018-10-24 20:36:43 UTC  

Little slip there.

2018-10-24 20:36:56 UTC  

Not really. Trump is bringing them back in

2018-10-24 20:37:02 UTC  

John Bolton anyone?

2018-10-24 20:37:11 UTC  

Trump is an interesting figure when nominating people.

2018-10-24 20:37:16 UTC  

Neocons were btfo'd by Trump in 2016.

2018-10-24 20:37:22 UTC  

Remember all those times masked right-wingers smashed windows and burned cars? Oh yeah...

2018-10-24 20:37:31 UTC  

If that's because he's digging the bottom of the barrel or because he likes conflict is unclear.

2018-10-24 20:37:53 UTC  

But the Republican base has become surprisingly isloationist as of late, which is alienating the neocons.

2018-10-24 20:37:59 UTC  

It's pretty obvious that there's only one criteria when he nominates someone in a government position: Loyalty.

2018-10-24 20:38:15 UTC  

I wouldn't be that sure. But we'll leave this there.

2018-10-24 20:38:43 UTC  

Nationalist, not isolationist.

2018-10-24 20:38:54 UTC  

That partially explain why his administration has been chaotic. Different competing strands of conservatism competing against eachother

2018-10-24 20:39:01 UTC  

Tbh if anything Trump managed to gather together a bunch of disparate groups

2018-10-24 20:39:28 UTC  

the GOP as a whole was desperate when he appeared

2018-10-24 20:39:53 UTC  

He didn't win because there was a secret giant cabal of cons were just playing the long game and letting Obama win

2018-10-24 20:40:55 UTC  

He won because he managed to pull from a number of different groups, and still has an exceptional approval rate among them iirc

2018-10-24 20:40:59 UTC  

The thing you have to realize about politics is that the left is diverse in it's skin tones and genders. But there is a strong conformist streak and the marching orders tend to come from a few key places that filter down.

The right is diverse in its ideas and just does a good job of hiding the divisions from view. There's a general lack of overall organization and the different sectors fight each other frequently.

2018-10-24 20:41:29 UTC  

Not, really.

2018-10-24 20:41:32 UTC  

Mostly Trump won because he was able to break the Democrats strongholds in the rust belt while not losing too much of the suburbs.

2018-10-24 20:42:28 UTC  

The left is pretty diverse in ideas.

2018-10-24 20:43:36 UTC  

The Dems very intentionally abandoned the white working class, so Trump picked them up.

2018-10-24 20:43:41 UTC  

It's diverse in it's *interests*

2018-10-24 20:44:13 UTC  

But the policy directives tend to come from only a few places, like academia.

2018-10-24 20:44:39 UTC  

And within those circles, the fundamental assumptions tend to be very homogeneous.

2018-10-24 20:44:41 UTC  

Under that logic, then the right is only diverse in interests and the policy directives tend to come from think tanks

2018-10-24 20:44:54 UTC  

Not really, there's business groups.

2018-10-24 20:45:00 UTC  

There's grassroots organizations.

2018-10-24 20:45:08 UTC  

There's the religious right.

2018-10-24 20:45:11 UTC  

The young right.

2018-10-24 20:45:23 UTC  

The think tanks (who generally hated Trump until very recently)

2018-10-24 20:45:28 UTC  

the left is so diverse in its ideas that it shuts down speakers and deplatforms people who disagree with them 🤔

2018-10-24 20:45:36 UTC  

The few republican faculty.

2018-10-24 20:45:47 UTC  

There's gun groups.

2018-10-24 20:45:59 UTC  

And most of these groups have very different aims and assumptions.

2018-10-24 20:46:01 UTC  

You mean just like Democrats? Like how they have business groups, grassroots organizations, religious left, the young left, and the few think tanks along with academia?

2018-10-24 20:46:31 UTC  

Only an idiot or a liar would claim the left permits diversity of opinion. The left plainly has far too much moral certainty for that.

2018-10-24 20:46:35 UTC  

religious left?

2018-10-24 20:46:49 UTC  

Yeah, but the business groups, think tanks and academia are very closely aligned. The big differences tend to be in the unions, and upper class.

2018-10-24 20:46:59 UTC  

That splinter is what let Trump win.

2018-10-24 20:47:35 UTC  

The religious left tends to be kinda academic too in my experience. As in, it's centered in academic towns and tends to adopt very academic attitudes.