Voltron assraping the statue of liberty.

Tbh Clinton was shady AF

For effs sake pratel the right during both Clinton and Obama years were completely unhinged beyond belief

Maybe everyone felt this way during their era but the presidential pickings during my lifetime have been a bit shit. I'm surprised y'all haven't done any table flips

Obama years had a lot of zealots as well

Remember when people were only criticizing him because they were racist? Remember when people just glossed over all the drone strikes and country destabilizations despite those being primo critiques against Bush?

Political discourse in the US has not been honest

A) The left (not center-left) were really pissed off with Obama about the Drone strikes and not going hard enough against Wall St. They blasted him hard.

Plus, under that logic, the right should have been supportive of Obama for continuing Bush's foreign policy, and also implementing a healthcare policy that was originally their idea.

Agreed. I may not be from the US but I'm on the left and bashed Obama for that shit weekly.

Interestingly, not everyone on the right is a neocon

The neocons are getting thrown out, in fact.

See Max Boot.

Little slip there.

Not really. Trump is bringing them back in

John Bolton anyone?

Trump is an interesting figure when nominating people.

Neocons were btfo'd by Trump in 2016.

Remember all those times masked right-wingers smashed windows and burned cars? Oh yeah...

If that's because he's digging the bottom of the barrel or because he likes conflict is unclear.

But the Republican base has become surprisingly isloationist as of late, which is alienating the neocons.

It's pretty obvious that there's only one criteria when he nominates someone in a government position: Loyalty.

I wouldn't be that sure. But we'll leave this there.

Nationalist, not isolationist.

That partially explain why his administration has been chaotic. Different competing strands of conservatism competing against eachother

Tbh if anything Trump managed to gather together a bunch of disparate groups

the GOP as a whole was desperate when he appeared

He didn't win because there was a secret giant cabal of cons were just playing the long game and letting Obama win

He won because he managed to pull from a number of different groups, and still has an exceptional approval rate among them iirc

The thing you have to realize about politics is that the left is diverse in it's skin tones and genders. But there is a strong conformist streak and the marching orders tend to come from a few key places that filter down.

The right is diverse in its ideas and just does a good job of hiding the divisions from view. There's a general lack of overall organization and the different sectors fight each other frequently.

Not, really.

Mostly Trump won because he was able to break the Democrats strongholds in the rust belt while not losing too much of the suburbs.

The left is pretty diverse in ideas.

The Dems very intentionally abandoned the white working class, so Trump picked them up.

It's diverse in it's *interests*

But the policy directives tend to come from only a few places, like academia.

And within those circles, the fundamental assumptions tend to be very homogeneous.

Under that logic, then the right is only diverse in interests and the policy directives tend to come from think tanks

Not really, there's business groups.

There's grassroots organizations.

There's the religious right.