Message from @Beemann
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I also remember the fuck Bush years
oh yeah. i remember watching "that's my bush"
It was far wider than the Obama years.
If were going back that far pratel, then the right during the Clinton years were absolutely unhinged
Get what out of our system exactly? Our survival instinct as a nation?
And Bushgame.swf on Newgrounds.
Haidt has pushed it to Reagan.
Bushgame was the moment at which I knew the left had gone mad.
There was a sea change and the left decided it couldn't stand the right.
It was only in the last 2 years that the hate got retaliated.
Voltron assraping the statue of liberty.
Tbh Clinton was shady AF
For effs sake pratel the right during both Clinton and Obama years were completely unhinged beyond belief
Maybe everyone felt this way during their era but the presidential pickings during my lifetime have been a bit shit. I'm surprised y'all haven't done any table flips
Obama years had a lot of zealots as well
Remember when people were only criticizing him because they were racist? Remember when people just glossed over all the drone strikes and country destabilizations despite those being primo critiques against Bush?
Political discourse in the US has not been honest
A) The left (not center-left) were really pissed off with Obama about the Drone strikes and not going hard enough against Wall St. They blasted him hard.
Plus, under that logic, the right should have been supportive of Obama for continuing Bush's foreign policy, and also implementing a healthcare policy that was originally their idea.
Agreed. I may not be from the US but I'm on the left and bashed Obama for that shit weekly.
The neocons are getting thrown out, in fact.
See Max Boot.
Little slip there.
Not really. Trump is bringing them back in
John Bolton anyone?
Trump is an interesting figure when nominating people.
Neocons were btfo'd by Trump in 2016.
Remember all those times masked right-wingers smashed windows and burned cars? Oh yeah...
If that's because he's digging the bottom of the barrel or because he likes conflict is unclear.
But the Republican base has become surprisingly isloationist as of late, which is alienating the neocons.
It's pretty obvious that there's only one criteria when he nominates someone in a government position: Loyalty.
I wouldn't be that sure. But we'll leave this there.
Nationalist, not isolationist.
That partially explain why his administration has been chaotic. Different competing strands of conservatism competing against eachother
Tbh if anything Trump managed to gather together a bunch of disparate groups
the GOP as a whole was desperate when he appeared
He didn't win because there was a secret giant cabal of cons were just playing the long game and letting Obama win
He won because he managed to pull from a number of different groups, and still has an exceptional approval rate among them iirc
The thing you have to realize about politics is that the left is diverse in it's skin tones and genders. But there is a strong conformist streak and the marching orders tend to come from a few key places that filter down.
The right is diverse in its ideas and just does a good job of hiding the divisions from view. There's a general lack of overall organization and the different sectors fight each other frequently.
Not, really.