Message from @saturnsrings
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No, the Romans did.
They demanded it.
The Jews collaborated with the Romans.
Besides.
Nah, they just didn't really give a fuck.
They mocked him and said he was "King of Kings."
on the cross.
So you believe in the Old Testament, but you're not a Jew, and you're waiting on the true messiah?
He's a Jew or maybe just an ordinary dumbass
Of course they mocked him. He was a ridiculous character. The 'christ' or 'messiah' is just a person 'anointed' by G-d. King David was a 'christ'. Darius was a 'christ'
Mary remained a virgin. Of course most Protestants don't believe in this so I guess it's not entirely relevant to Christianity
The "brothers of Jesus" were cousins
Even in Chinese, all my wife's cousins, are my brothers and sisters
Ragnarok holds a very compelling arguement.
I'm what's actually called a noahide. Not a Jew at all. I serve G-d, and follow his commandments for the sons of Noah, which we all are.
I would like to know the ancient Greek and Aramaic views on brothers and cousins.
The Hebrew Bible we have today was written 800 years after Jesus, and deliberately changed prophecies to invalidate Jesus and Christianity. Such as virgin vs maiden. This is historical secular fact.
That Hebrew is not even the same language the original Hebrew Bible was written in
no it isn't, because the penalty for changing the Torah is death.
It's like saying the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle is written in English
@saturnsrings Bullshit.
There is a very distinct different between Ancient Greek to Modern Greek, and Ancient Hebrew to modern Hebrew.
Fæder ure şu şe eart on heofonum,
si şin nama gehalgod.
to becume şin rice,
gewurşe ğin willa,
on eorğan swa swa on heofonum.
urne gedæghwamlican hlaf syle us todæg,
and forgyf us ure gyltas,
swa swa we forgyfağ urum gyltendum.
and ne gelæd şu us on costnunge,
ac alys us of yfele soşlice.
Here's the Lord's Prayer in "English"
No bullshit at all. In thousands of years between Jewish groups seperated by geography, there is only a difference of one letter in the Torah.
We have a Greek guy here who will testify that ancient, Koine, and Modern Greek aren't the same
Oure fadir şat art in heuenes
halwid be şi name;
şi reume or kyngdom come to be.
Be şi wille don
in herşe as it is dounin heuene.
yeue to us today oure eche dayes bred.
And foryeue to us oure dettis şat is oure synnys
as we foryeuen to oure dettouris şat is to men şat han synned in us.
And lede us not into temptacion
but delyuere us from euyl.
Here's another one in "English"
Sure, Greek isn't the same. Modern Hebrew and Biblical Hebrew aren't the same either. Modern Hebrew was invented in the mid 20th century, and Biblical Hebrew has been a scholarly pursuit in Judaism since G-d gave them their instructions.
They study them instructions real good.
Kept the language completely original to that end.
Biblical Hebrew:
Biblical Hebrew (or classical Hebrew) was an ancient language that emerged in the 10th century B.C (or 1,000 B.C.).
Over the next several centuries, the Hebrew people used it to communicate.
They also used it to record their History, Religion, Poetry, Philosophy and Culture. A portion of these recordings became the basis of Hebrew Scriptures and the Bible.
During the Roman Period: Biblical Hebrew evolved beyond recognition but it lived on in religious contexts.
Why evolved? The Jewish Diaspora. The Roman Empire conquered and exiled the Jews to various countries and nature and evolution took it’s course. Languages got mixed. New dialects were made.
So, in short, Biblical Hebrew is an ancient language. A lot of the ancient scriptures and the Bible were written in it. And, it “died.” Well, not died, but evolved.
Modern Hebrew:
So did Hebrew die as a language? Not completely.
Hebrew experienced a revival in the 19th century – now what we know was “Modern Hebrew.”
This was part of the Zionist Movement, or National Revival Movement to create a state/home for Jews.
During this movement, Eliezer Ben-Yehuda, a lexicographer (dictionary writer/editor), prepared the first modern Hebrew dictionary.
With the new dictionary, people started using Hebrew again and speaking 1 language. Remember? Because of the movement.
Because of the influence of European languages (remember, the Jewish Diaspora and evolving mentioned above?), Hebrew changed as a language.
Almost all aspects of the language were changed.
Pronunciation
Grammar
Vocabulary
In short, modern Hebrew was brought back but was changed quite a bit.
In fact for around a thousand years the Jews generally did not know Hebrew
Hence the widespread use of the LXX
And the use of Aramaic
Saying that Hebrew has been preserved is wrong.
It isn't wrong. There's lots of actual hebrew text that can be examined to prove that assertion wrong.
That's why Jews won't say YHWH. Because they don't know how it is meant to be pronounced
I do not doubt there are mistranslations in the bible, so for those who are coming back into the fold, or are Newborn Christians, https://carm.org/questions/about-church/which-church-one-true-church this is what I say to them.
Had Hebrew been preserved they would know how to pronounce it