Yes the Nazis got to power through fear but that doesn't stop what Hitler doen to businesses that didn't hit their imposable targetrs. Nazisim was born out of Marxist socialism.

nazism had nothing to do with marxism lmao

I basically consider communism and absolutely free markets to be two sides of the same coin: Nice ideas in theory, but impossible to implement in practice without it going wrong.

it rose from italian fascism

Alright Shinsoo, alright.

Italian fascism was the result of a split from socialism

it really wasn't, that's just the rhetoric they used to appeal to workers at the time

>t-they were just lying

>taking fascists by their word

BREAKING NEWS: most of us are humans the left denys claims and is starting a new term anti nonhumans

>ignore the nationalization, that's capitalism now

>ignore the mass privatisation, that's socialist now

if you want us to throw memes at each other, that's fine

i'd prefer an actual discussion

A government run economy is inherently not capitalist
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Year_Plan

Technically, it is. Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industries, and the means of production are largely or entirely privately owned and operated for profit.

State capitalism is usually described as an economic system in which commercial (i.e. for-profit) economic activity is undertaken by the state, with management and organization of the means of production in a capitalist manner, including the system of capital accumulation, wage labor, and centralized management.

Simply the capitalist class was represented by the state. That is, state capitalism is a merely a flavor of capitalism, a monopolistic one, without market.

>privately owned
>the state owns it
These are contradictory statements

http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

Against the mainstream: Nazi privatization in 1930s Germany

the nazis privatised as much as they could

they encouraged cartels and monopolies and were uninterested in economic competition, but nationalisation wasn't their focus

taking care of the civilian sector was seen as a waste of government manpower and resources, they wanted to focus everything on warfare

>1930
>four year plan was in 36
Oh boy

this might surprise you, but 1936 is in the 30s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany

there's a neat section that explains their privatisation policies

and how they cooperated with businesses

fun fact, my university's main building is named after a private company which used slave labour from nazi camps

the company was split up after the war, one of its remnants today is Bayer

You're not addressing the Nazi control of the economy, which was part of the '36 4 Year Plan

You appear to be avoiding it, in fact

because it's irrelevant
the government had *huge* influence over the economy, as governments often do, by giving contracts and funding
in the nazi's case, they had even more influence than usual because they **privatised** a lot, and provided businesses with slave labour

but all this influence doesn't negate the fact that they relied on privatisation and capitalism

>it's irrelevant that they controlled the economy
No, that makes it not capitalist, m8

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they didn't control the economy, that's the thing

If someone can walk in and tell you exactly how to run your business, take it from you, determine imports and exports, you don't actually own it

they tried to privatise as much as possible and leave businesses to their own devices unless it helped the military

governments and businesses cooperating is a constant reality under capitalism