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The Orthodox position is that Rome had not claimed it before
@Andrules To be honest I did not read your thing instead I watched this.
Now it even said in this video that a 'myth' that the Patriarch of Constantinople is somehow the 'Pope' of the Eastern Churches.
Start at 11:50
I don't know, this schism business makes it hard to find the One True Church of God.
@Deleted User what is your interpretation of 1st Corinthians 5:6-8
@Deleted User yours as well.
The Orthodox Church use leavened bread because there is a greek word that differentiates leavened from unleavened, and the bread that Christ used in the last supper used the Greek word for normal bread, yet Latin Catholics use unleavened bread. Why?
ολως ακουεται εν υμιν πορνεια και τοιαυτη πορνεια ητις ουδε εν τοις εθνεσιν ονομαζεται ωστε γυναικα τινα του πατρος εχειν
2 και υμεις πεφυσιωμενοι εστε και ουχι μαλλον επενθησατε ινα εξαρθη εκ μεσου υμων ο το εργον τουτο ποιησας
3 εγω μεν γαρ ως απων τω σωματι παρων δε τω πνευματι ηδη κεκρικα ως παρων τον ουτως τουτο κατεργασαμενον
4 εν τω ονοματι του κυριου ημων ιησου χριστου συναχθεντων υμων και του εμου πνευματος συν τη δυναμει του κυριου ημων ιησου χριστου
5 παραδουναι τον τοιουτον τω σατανα εις ολεθρον της σαρκος ινα το πνευμα σωθη εν τη ημερα του κυριου ιησου
6 ου καλον το καυχημα υμων ουκ οιδατε οτι μικρα ζυμη ολον το φυραμα ζυμοι
7 εκκαθαρατε ουν την παλαιαν ζυμην ινα ητε νεον φυραμα καθως εστε αζυμοι και γαρ το πασχα ημων υπερ ημων ετυθη χριστος
8 ωστε εορταζωμεν μη εν ζυμη παλαια μηδε εν ζυμη κακιας και πονηριας αλλ εν αζυμοις ειλικρινειας και αληθειας
9 εγραψα υμιν εν τη επιστολη μη συναναμιγνυσθαι πορνοις
10 και ου παντως τοις πορνοις του κοσμου τουτου η τοις πλεονεκταις η αρπαξιν η ειδωλολατραις επει οφειλετε αρα εκ του κοσμου εξελθειν
11 νυνι δε εγραψα υμιν μη συναναμιγνυσθαι εαν τις αδελφος ονομαζομενος η πορνος η πλεονεκτης η ειδωλολατρης η λοιδορος η μεθυσος η αρπαξ τω τοιουτω μηδε συνεσθιειν
12 τι γαρ μοι και τους εξω κρινειν ουχι τους εσω υμεις κρινετε
13 τους δε εξω ο θεος κρινει και εξαρειτε τον πονηρον εξ υμων αυτων
Translated to english:
it sounds that there is sexual immorality * + among you, and indeed such immorality * that is not even among the nations - someone cohabits with * his father's wife. + 2 And are you proud of this? You should not be mourned, + so that the one who has done this act is expelled from among you + 3 Although I am absent in the body, I am present in the spirit, and I have already judged the one who did it as if I were indeed together your. 4 When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus, and knowing that I am with you in the spirit together with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 you must deliver this man to Satan + for the destruction of the flesh, to save the spirit * the day of the Lord. + 6 Your blame is not good. Do not know that a little leaven causes fermentation throughout the dough? * + 7 Dissolve the old yeast to be a new dough, since you have not been fermented * Because Christ, our Easter lamb + was sacrificed + 8 So let us we keep the feast, + not with old leaven, nor with leaven of evil and wickedness, but with unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9 In my letter, I wrote to you that you should cease to engage * sexually immoral people. * 10 I did not mean to have no intercourse with the sexually immoral people * of this world + or the greedy ones * or the harpmen or idolaters. Otherwise, you should leave the world. + 11 But now I am writing to you to stop communicating * + anybody called a brother who is sexually immoral * or greedy * + or idolatry or abusive * or drunken + or harp, + not even to eat with such a person. 12 For what work do I have to judge them out? Do not judge them in the midst, 13 while God judges them out + + "Remove the wicked man from among you." +
@Iakovos That's the whole translation from Corinthians to English. Now for your other question. In NT when they wrote down about leavened and unleavened bread there is one small distinction to understand it. When they refer to un-leavened they refer it as azymo(αζυμος) while when the speak for leavened beard they speak about artos(αρτος)bread
In case for the supper that he told them to drink wine for his blood and eat the artos(αρτος)bread for his body.
Why does it say keep the feast?
The Feast of Unleavened Bread? As far as my knowledge, nobody celebrates that today.
@Deleted User also
I asked you too because I am considering Orthodoxy.
@Iakovos The Feast of Unleavened Bread is a judaic tradition
When the time for exodus came
Right.
so what they took was unleavened bread
with them
Now for this passage of Corinthians, it starts with criticising them for the sins he heard that take place there, so my understanding is that when he calls them to throw to clean the old leaven and to become a new dough. (By that most likely he means to strip the old sins and anew themselves) We do have 40 days of fasting before pascha/Easter
Latins use unleavened but ECs use leavened, both being in full communion so both are equally valid
If leavened was invalid then they would not have been allowed to return to full communion
We have the same 40 day fasting period but we calculate dates differently. Latins calculate based on the Gregorian Calendar. ECs and Orthodox use the Julian Calendar for holy days. So they end up with Christmas in January.
Which isn't wrong, and is because most of their countries didn't adopt the Gregorian Calendar until very recently. I think Russia took until the last century.
Both count as valid yes, We just have this small distinction on words in koine greek for unleavened and leavened thats what I wanted to clear up
Whenever we use azymo we mean for unleavened and when the scripture speaks for artos(αρτος) it speaks for leavened bread
also Good morning Rag
Well, it was an audio file not a document to read.
I found it for you. Asked for information on the schism and that’s what I got.
About June 24 I will share the Facebook link to that Wiccan's Facebook so we can give that disciple of Satan the Zucc!!!
By then enough time will have elapsed to where she wouldn't have any clue who did it. Then I will share her personal facebook as well as her husbands.
Then I will share her tumblr so we can take it down too before she becomes active on it again.
Then her youtube so we can spam and flag the fuck out of it!
It will put a massive dent on her outreach to her 4-5K follower base!