They need to integrate with each other

I agree with all that

***bu-bu-but feeeeeelings***

Hmmmm his feed

But respect?

the EU is attempting to create its own army, separate from nato

Is that such a bad thing?

@DrYuriMom There's 3 options here.
Option 1) We don't hold them accountable.
Option 2) We step up hard negotiating tactics like Trump is doing and force them to be accountable.
Option 3) We back out of the deals entirely like a bad divorce.

You tell me which one you prefer.

I'll respect them when they can put a sub to sea or a cargo plane in the air

Or when Poland doesn't out-tank them

The US should not be treating these nations with respect while they attempt to create a unified fighting force outside of NATO

Fucking Germany, land of the Panzer, with <250 tanks.

It goes against the very purpose of the organization.

@Blackhawk342 , as I understand it that only started happening in the past two years. When the US suddenly became an unreliable partner.

softballing it and politely asking them, "well uhm, it'd be.. you know... kinda nice if you spent your 2% like you promised. pwetty pwease." is akin to that first option of not holding them accountable.

Unreliable paypig*
The EU is utterly reliant on taking from successful countries while cutting them a raw deal

Its been happening since 2012

Perhaps they considered Obama to be an unreliable ally

https://euobserver.com/news/115686

Well it makes sense in that context

http://www.caef.org.uk/d108euarmy.html

If Europe were to need to act when the US didn't come to support, that have zero effective air-to-air refueling capacity

Speaking at a Social Democrat security policy conference in Berlin on 5 May, Mr Steinmeier, Foreign Minister of Germany said he favoured the setting up of a "European armed force' and that he would like to see moves in this direction speeded up.
Democrat May-June 2008 (Number 108)

Do we really want to leave Europe to their own devices?

I mean really?

Thats what they want it would seem

Yes. Yes we do. Because they can't manage right now.

What part of WW1 a WW2 don't we remember here?

Reminder that the EU is determined to overturn UK democracy because their economy is one of the main reasons why the EU is still standing

Once they realize they can't manage, they'll fucking get their shit together as they come back begging us for help.

Europe I want to protect.
European Union can't die fast enough.

And it's not about "leaving them to their own devices"
That's what blindly giving them support would be

This is deliberate consequences for actions

The EU experiment and NATO exist to a) keep France up, 2) keep Germany down, and 3) keep the US in.

Trump even wanted to cut a deal with post-Brexit UK

I quoted it once today already, but apparently I'll have to quote it again.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

If the EU is trying to force the UK into staying and undermine it's brexit vote (and they are), while their dictators are still running their own nations into the ground...

Maybe it's time the US step back and let WW3 happen for a few years. Just long enough to clean house.

>keep Germany down
Germany makes administrative decisions

They're also the ones leaning on smaller countries

Economically, yes, Militarily, not so much.

If the EU is meant to keep Germany down, it's time to scrap it

Well the EU army isnt done yet