Message from @Niveron

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2018-10-25 13:18:41 UTC  

they were pretty desperate in the last days, true

2018-10-25 13:19:23 UTC  

another hypothesis could be that the krauts just used them to commit war crimes, then whacked them afterwards.

2018-10-25 13:20:09 UTC  

but most likely the lot of them were sent head first into the red army's mg nests.

2018-10-25 13:20:59 UTC  

No. They were used as soldiers, not cannon fodder. No different than national units or the army

2018-10-25 13:21:46 UTC  

The SS that managed the concentration camps was separate from the fighting units

2018-10-25 13:22:02 UTC  

And easily confused by being called SS-VT and SS-TV

2018-10-25 13:22:30 UTC  

Anything you see with SS-TV is Holocaust stuff

2018-10-25 13:22:51 UTC  

SS-VT were later renamed Waffen-SS and were fighting men

2018-10-25 13:24:01 UTC  

SS-TV were distinguished by the death's head on their collar

2018-10-25 13:28:16 UTC  

The W-SS 3rd Panzer Division was made up of former TV, and did a lot of horrible things. The 13th, 21st, and 23rd Mountain Divisions were made up of eastern Euro Muslims who committed the vast majority of war crimes in eastern Europe outside of the camps

2018-10-25 13:30:09 UTC  

that's pretty interesting stuff, however, to study that here as a historian pretty much means a career suicide if you fail to comply with the current dogmas.

2018-10-25 13:31:33 UTC  

Same in America

2018-10-25 13:32:05 UTC  

Those Muslims units were the only religious troops. They didn't have chaplains in other SS units

2018-10-25 13:33:28 UTC  

Studying the WW2 and post war here, goes pretty much like this: Krauts - good, jewshooting never happened(Lietukis garage pogrom), russia evil. no deviations allowed.

2018-10-25 13:33:45 UTC  

Wow

2018-10-25 13:33:50 UTC  

that's why as a history major, I'm taking medieval studies more or less

2018-10-25 13:33:54 UTC  

Interesting, it's the exact opposite here

2018-10-25 13:34:25 UTC  

Then you will probably like this book

2018-10-25 13:34:59 UTC  

It's legit, I've read it

2018-10-25 13:40:06 UTC  

I'll have to find a PDF of it. Not many books about the German side, most WW2 stuff here is on how average soviet soldier raped babies and shit

2018-10-25 13:40:24 UTC  

the one that's translated at least.

2018-10-25 13:41:50 UTC  

I wouldn't say average, but it did happen

2018-10-25 13:42:08 UTC  

Having read what few firsthand accounts exist from the Red Army

2018-10-25 13:42:15 UTC  

Good people don't survive long

2018-10-25 13:43:25 UTC  

Communist armies are set up with a unique command structure where an officer second in command is appointed by the party office at each level. The political commissar, responsible for discipline, administrative tasks, and ideology. He can also override the commander in many cases

2018-10-25 13:43:42 UTC  

the commisars were utter morons

2018-10-25 13:43:46 UTC  

Those are the ones in the famous photos that would shoot you in the back for retreating

2018-10-25 13:44:02 UTC  

Yes, because they were chosen based on politics, not leadership ability

2018-10-25 13:44:05 UTC  

sometimes it would be the other way around.

2018-10-25 13:44:17 UTC  

sometimes the trooper would whack the politruk

2018-10-25 13:44:31 UTC  

Not often enough it would seem

2018-10-25 13:44:37 UTC  

true.

2018-10-25 13:44:54 UTC  

one veteran told a story on how his squad killed their commisar

2018-10-25 13:45:11 UTC  

basically the idiot was sending his troops directly into kraut MG fire

2018-10-25 13:45:19 UTC  

instead of flanking it.

2018-10-25 13:45:40 UTC  

And with the Red Army not giving a shit about loss of life, the "one rifle, two men" concept, human wave attacks to make the Germans run out of ammo. Over a period of years, your truly good people are gone.

2018-10-25 13:45:42 UTC  

so, the guys shot the retard

2018-10-25 13:46:22 UTC  

All that's left in the end are your savages willing to do horrible things to survive at the expense of their comrades (no pun intended)

2018-10-25 13:46:27 UTC  

when the NKVD asked why they did it, because they di eventually found out, the guy just said that he was an idiot.

2018-10-25 13:46:35 UTC  

And that's what invaded Berlin