Message from @princeofdolalmroth
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there isn't enough time for what you're suggesting. Think of this. Life more or less came into being only 540-60 million years ago, and almost all of the animal Phyla came fully formed, meaning some with the traits they would hold for millions of years. this in itself is another miracle, but the bigger miracle is that life arose in the first place. no biologist can solve the most fundamental problem of evolution, that being the ultimate origin of life, because they are incapable of solving the assembly problem.
I don't believe in the old earth model
the idea that the earth is billions of years old?
Yeah
Bible has a pretty clear timeline. Yesterday/last night we discussed this in depth in the religion channel
then why would god create radioactive decay rates and then make them unique to each element?
I don't see you around here often, or ever I think, but you should definitely join in on some of our discussions
I would love to.
Radioactive decay can be affected by a lot of things
You gotta have a baseline to determine when it started to decay
I believe the Flood could have been a major event to affect this
true enough, but then how would one explain away the Radioactive cosmic background? the flood wouldn't be a good explanation for that
Of course I could be wrong about young earth but, when God said days, he said days. The same word used elsewhere in the OT, especially with "evening and morning" always meant one day, 24 hours.
you can't read the bible literally in this sense, just like you can't read it literally in the sense of Daniel 9:24-26
There's no reason to think that part was anything but literal. Else evening and morning, and the creation of celestial bodies to help us determine time of day, seems like pointless writing on behalf of Moses
Daniel 9:24-26 refers to sevens which translated from the original hebrew meant weeks, and yet the prophecy concerning in this chapter say at what time in history the Messiah would appear, and when one does the calculation properly, it matches up within a year of christ's birth and death
the book of daniel is set approximately 490 years before christ's death
which is exactly what is predicted in the book through the prophesy of daniel.
But he is, of course, a prophet
The creation isn't about prophecy, it's about history. It was written after the events it refers to, while Daniel is written before the events it refers to
and we also need to understand that the writers of the old testament were not secretaries of the holy spirit. Genesis got the order of creation exactly right, but the timeframe of how fast or slow is off.
And of course the context in which that Hebrew word "yom" is used, I'm inclined to take it literally when it says evening and morning
Remember days were measured from sunset to sunset
well, let me put it another way. we have never uncovered a fossil of any kind of human that appears in the same strata of rock as say, a dinosaur, yet genesis would tell me that at one point mankind and dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time. also, based on the dimensions specified in Genesis concerning the Ark, and that god commands that a pair of each and every living creature on earth be put inside, it is literally impossible to fit that many creatures in the same confined space for almost 8 months without warping spacetime inside the ark to make the interior far larger than it actually is.
Then maybe a lot of them were dead?
Maybe there was not as much genetic diversity and so instead of a thousand kinds of dogs/wolves, there was just two or three
by that logic then there would be far less diversity than we see on the planet
case and point the different types of finches on the galapagos.
We think of a world covered in dinosaurs but in reality we haven't actually found that many fossils
Job 40:15-19
We've got ancient drawings of them
going back to one of my older points, the flood would have done nothing to distort our detection of the radiological cosmic background, and most physicist will tell you that that is an adequate means of measuring the age of the universe
Mankind has a lot of creativity but I don't see them inventing a monster in their heads that turns out to be real 5000 years later but predating the artist by 500 million years
65-150 million years to be precise. if it were only 5000 years old, and remember that Job is after genesis, then they would be still around.
maybe not where Job was, but they would have been referenced by many more cultures than just the Hebrew, especially since Job takes place after the events of Solomon (about 870-830BC)
Most Biblical scholars put Job as the oldest book
Job cannot be older than Genesis, otherwise job would be first in the bible, and from what I know Job was first written between the 7th and 4th century BC
The physical writing, not the event obviously
Job 22:16 references the flood. So we know it's after Noah
The sacrifice in Job 1:5 is of the patriarchal "rite" which is pre-Mosaic
Same for the daughters' inheritances in Job 42:15