Message from @princeofdolalmroth

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2019-04-28 08:14:11 UTC  

there isn't enough time for what you're suggesting. Think of this. Life more or less came into being only 540-60 million years ago, and almost all of the animal Phyla came fully formed, meaning some with the traits they would hold for millions of years. this in itself is another miracle, but the bigger miracle is that life arose in the first place. no biologist can solve the most fundamental problem of evolution, that being the ultimate origin of life, because they are incapable of solving the assembly problem.

2019-04-28 08:14:34 UTC  

I don't believe in the old earth model

2019-04-28 08:14:54 UTC  

the idea that the earth is billions of years old?

2019-04-28 08:14:57 UTC  

Yeah

2019-04-28 08:15:24 UTC  

Bible has a pretty clear timeline. Yesterday/last night we discussed this in depth in the religion channel

2019-04-28 08:15:37 UTC  

then why would god create radioactive decay rates and then make them unique to each element?

2019-04-28 08:15:55 UTC  

I don't see you around here often, or ever I think, but you should definitely join in on some of our discussions

2019-04-28 08:16:03 UTC  

I would love to.

2019-04-28 08:16:13 UTC  

Radioactive decay can be affected by a lot of things

2019-04-28 08:16:29 UTC  

You gotta have a baseline to determine when it started to decay

2019-04-28 08:16:54 UTC  

I believe the Flood could have been a major event to affect this

2019-04-28 08:17:19 UTC  

true enough, but then how would one explain away the Radioactive cosmic background? the flood wouldn't be a good explanation for that

2019-04-28 08:18:04 UTC  

Of course I could be wrong about young earth but, when God said days, he said days. The same word used elsewhere in the OT, especially with "evening and morning" always meant one day, 24 hours.

2019-04-28 08:18:41 UTC  

you can't read the bible literally in this sense, just like you can't read it literally in the sense of Daniel 9:24-26

2019-04-28 08:19:38 UTC  

There's no reason to think that part was anything but literal. Else evening and morning, and the creation of celestial bodies to help us determine time of day, seems like pointless writing on behalf of Moses

2019-04-28 08:20:31 UTC  

Daniel 9:24-26 refers to sevens which translated from the original hebrew meant weeks, and yet the prophecy concerning in this chapter say at what time in history the Messiah would appear, and when one does the calculation properly, it matches up within a year of christ's birth and death

2019-04-28 08:22:28 UTC  

the book of daniel is set approximately 490 years before christ's death

2019-04-28 08:23:00 UTC  

which is exactly what is predicted in the book through the prophesy of daniel.

2019-04-28 08:23:38 UTC  

But he is, of course, a prophet

2019-04-28 08:24:15 UTC  

The creation isn't about prophecy, it's about history. It was written after the events it refers to, while Daniel is written before the events it refers to

2019-04-28 08:25:21 UTC  

and we also need to understand that the writers of the old testament were not secretaries of the holy spirit. Genesis got the order of creation exactly right, but the timeframe of how fast or slow is off.

2019-04-28 08:25:33 UTC  

And of course the context in which that Hebrew word "yom" is used, I'm inclined to take it literally when it says evening and morning

2019-04-28 08:26:51 UTC  

Remember days were measured from sunset to sunset

2019-04-28 08:29:15 UTC  

well, let me put it another way. we have never uncovered a fossil of any kind of human that appears in the same strata of rock as say, a dinosaur, yet genesis would tell me that at one point mankind and dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time. also, based on the dimensions specified in Genesis concerning the Ark, and that god commands that a pair of each and every living creature on earth be put inside, it is literally impossible to fit that many creatures in the same confined space for almost 8 months without warping spacetime inside the ark to make the interior far larger than it actually is.

2019-04-28 08:30:14 UTC  

Then maybe a lot of them were dead?

2019-04-28 08:31:09 UTC  

Maybe there was not as much genetic diversity and so instead of a thousand kinds of dogs/wolves, there was just two or three

2019-04-28 08:32:26 UTC  

by that logic then there would be far less diversity than we see on the planet

2019-04-28 08:32:40 UTC  

case and point the different types of finches on the galapagos.

2019-04-28 08:32:44 UTC  

We think of a world covered in dinosaurs but in reality we haven't actually found that many fossils

2019-04-28 08:33:57 UTC  

Job 40:15-19

2019-04-28 08:34:45 UTC  

We've got ancient drawings of them

2019-04-28 08:34:52 UTC  

going back to one of my older points, the flood would have done nothing to distort our detection of the radiological cosmic background, and most physicist will tell you that that is an adequate means of measuring the age of the universe

2019-04-28 08:35:49 UTC  

Mankind has a lot of creativity but I don't see them inventing a monster in their heads that turns out to be real 5000 years later but predating the artist by 500 million years

2019-04-28 08:37:14 UTC  

65-150 million years to be precise. if it were only 5000 years old, and remember that Job is after genesis, then they would be still around.

2019-04-28 08:38:32 UTC  

maybe not where Job was, but they would have been referenced by many more cultures than just the Hebrew, especially since Job takes place after the events of Solomon (about 870-830BC)

2019-04-28 08:39:24 UTC  

Most Biblical scholars put Job as the oldest book

2019-04-28 08:41:44 UTC  

Job cannot be older than Genesis, otherwise job would be first in the bible, and from what I know Job was first written between the 7th and 4th century BC

2019-04-28 08:41:59 UTC  

The physical writing, not the event obviously

2019-04-28 08:42:24 UTC  

Job 22:16 references the flood. So we know it's after Noah

2019-04-28 08:43:01 UTC  

The sacrifice in Job 1:5 is of the patriarchal "rite" which is pre-Mosaic

2019-04-28 08:43:28 UTC  

Same for the daughters' inheritances in Job 42:15