Message from @princeofdolalmroth

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2019-04-28 08:43:59 UTC  

keep in mind that in oral cultures the core details of a story are preserved very well, but the secondary details tend to fluctuate.

2019-04-28 08:44:26 UTC  

And for him to live 200 or so years, this happened for some time after the flood but not by the time of Moses

2019-04-28 08:45:12 UTC  

So I'd put him pre-Abraham

2019-04-28 08:45:26 UTC  

But not by much

2019-04-28 08:45:57 UTC  

it's reasonable to assume that the secondary details of the story changed over the possible millenniums. but here we ask, is it unreasonable to say that is Job were a big part of the story of the bible, surely he would have been mentioned in the details of Genesis?

2019-04-28 08:46:10 UTC  

or even exodus?

2019-04-28 08:46:36 UTC  

There's a lot of stuff left out, or even stuff included that may seem strange

2019-04-28 08:46:42 UTC  

Most people don't notice it

2019-04-28 08:47:54 UTC  

I'm Catholic so this may seem like a biased perspective but there's a ton of references to deuterocanonical books (rejected by Protestants). But to be fair there are actually Biblical references to books rejected by all Christians, and even books entirely lost forever.

2019-04-28 08:49:22 UTC  

the problem I've had with Genesis is that in oral cultures legendary details tend to seep in over the generations (usually after 120-130 years), so when the bible says "days" in genesis, I've never taken it to mean literal days. the new testament I've taken much more literally since the people who were in the events were still alive as the books were written down, in some cases as little as five years after the death of christ

2019-04-28 08:49:30 UTC  

And other books that we may not know what it refers to; could be books we still have, some we don't

2019-04-28 08:50:07 UTC  

Well I have to rely a bit on the supernatural for this; God's word isn't gonna be lost.

2019-04-28 08:51:17 UTC  

you don't have to for god's word. the bible states it clearly that everything that can decay into nothing will before even the slightest word of god is gone

2019-04-28 08:51:50 UTC  

By supernatural I mean, God, above the natural and observable

2019-04-28 08:51:55 UTC  

for me, it isn't just the bible that is the word of god but the laws of the universe he wrote to permit the very existance of life

2019-04-28 08:52:45 UTC  

the code in my DNA is the word of god, recordable but so far uncrackable

2019-04-28 08:53:10 UTC  

Joshua 10:13 refers to the Book of the Just Man. Which is lost.

2019-04-28 08:53:35 UTC  

the book of chronicles refers to a book which recorded all the deeds of the kings of Israel

2019-04-28 08:53:39 UTC  

that one is gone too

2019-04-28 08:53:41 UTC  

Numbers 21:14-15 refers to the Book of the Wars of the Lord

2019-04-28 08:55:03 UTC  

the only way these can be reconciled is if they aren't physical books

2019-04-28 08:55:05 UTC  

The Just Man is sometimes called Jasher

2019-04-28 08:55:32 UTC  

as in they are books recorded by god but not for man

2019-04-28 08:55:36 UTC  

Well I believe in them being physical books, that are lost, but aren't necessarily the word of God

2019-04-28 08:55:49 UTC  

then that is why they are lost to time

2019-04-28 08:55:57 UTC  

But were obviously of some cultural importance

2019-04-28 08:56:15 UTC  

And it is possible they aren't lost, we just haven't rediscovered them

2019-04-28 08:56:46 UTC  

many books head down the river of time, but not all of them survive the rapids of history. Very few from that time survive into the present day unless they've held part of or the absolute truth

2019-04-28 08:57:07 UTC  

The Art of War is a good non-biblical example I can give

2019-04-28 08:58:00 UTC  

Gospel of Judas (noncanonical of course) was thought lost until 2006

2019-04-28 08:58:26 UTC  

maybe the Vatican has all the missing books.

2019-04-28 08:58:37 UTC  

wouldn't be surprised at all if they did

2019-04-28 08:59:13 UTC  

The archives are a lot less exciting than people think

2019-04-28 08:59:38 UTC  

Probably just keeping up an illusion for tourism but, it is possible to get in there with scholarly credentials

2019-04-28 09:00:40 UTC  

I'm going to head off for sleep.

2019-04-28 09:33:04 UTC  

Goodnight bro

2019-04-29 13:59:18 UTC  

Honk honk

2019-04-29 16:29:27 UTC  

This guy needs to be thrown in a tub full of pig lard