@Deleted User yeah I don't doubt a 公安 wouldn't be a good person, but if the government tells them to turn their guns on the people do they?

Absolutely not

good

The people who did that stuff weren't cops. They were called Red Guards

yeah but from the outside it's hard to know how far the mentailty of a normal 公安 would be from a red guard

Like comparing the SA to the police in Germany

good point

@Ƶero ok

@Rtr33zyUTAHA lived most of my life in Japan though

Father in law's grandpa. So my great grandpa. He was a communist soldier in the revolution. He got killed on the 5th encirclement.

But he wasn't a communist, just fighting against the KMT corruption and excesses

@Deleted User I'm fuzzy on that part of history, part of the Long March?

So the red guards tore up all his shit in the 60s even though he was dead

damn

Even though he died as a revolutionary martyr

that's messed up man

Lin Zhao, same thing. She got tortured and executed, and her family got a bill for the bullet.

I know that story

But she was part of the revolution and had even attacked landowners and forced them off their land

Grandpa, he got mistreated in the cultural revolution, lost his job etc. Ridiculed in public by what basically looks like an ad hoc court in the town square

Because he was a good guy, who did what was right, even if it wasn't PC

He was a PLA veteran too

some reward for loyalty...

爸爸 wasn't even allowed outside the country for three years after retirement because of his rank. Party member, PLA captain, officer in the armed police, and in public security. But still not free.

So yeah, the government fucks their own people, the ones closest to them

Red guards met a similar fate. They did what Mao ordered and worshiped him like a god. Then after millions died, the PLA was ordered to put them down

By put down, I mean a lot of them were killed

yeah, I hate to say it but modern Chinese history is a mess. It's also such a shame to see so much classical Chinese values be erased by post-revolutionary thought

Yeah, it swings back and forth

Deng Xiaoping saved that country though

After Mao shit on it,

In Tiananmen everyone knows the PLA came to "restore order"

They did it with force, sometimes shooting innocent people

yeah, like I said above, "might makes right" mentality

But what a lot of history books in China and elsewhere won't say, is a lot of PLA stayed outside the city and refused to get involved. And others actually fought against other PLA, to protect citizens

yeah, and a lot of the government would be happy to see that kind of history forgotten

that's the scarry part

A lot of governments worldwide

I used to think the PLA were scary as hell, and that we would fight them one day and they'd have no mercy

After meeting them, I know the opposite. There'll never be war, they are ordinary people

Government officials who just want to be richer and more powerful would like us to all hate each other and see each other as enemies. Case in point, the way they demonize Russia in the past couple years