We've had a good run

And it was probably the best way for the time it worked

But suppose shit hits the fan, and we have a real opportunity to remake society in a different way.

We do that or we will be back here having this same discussion decades from now.

we've had over 200 years to figure out what adjustments need to be made to the constitution

we can remain as our republic with a few alterations that do not compromise our values and ideals

I don't think anything else could have made it this far. But I think we are close to the end.

Our system is outliving it's usefulness

only because we've let it get away from us, we just have to reel it back in

That's a feature, not a bug, brother

The Founding Fathers saw a lot of things and prepared for a lot. Their wisdom gave us nearly two and a half centuries.

The problem is we've grown lazy. We decided to hand off our children to government indoctrination camps. Allowed people to marry the government as their provider.

if we can not rebuild on the principals of the founding fathers afterwards, then, we've already lost, what would we be fighting for?

But eventually, there comes a point where it's no longer sustainable

Expected someone else to take care of our families.

You are looking at the FF as the ideal. When they themselves did not.

im looking at the constitution as the ideals

What is best for the people and the nation? That's what their concern was. And what ours should be. The Constitution, etc is not our idol, it is our tool.

Honestly reminds me of the roman empire. breaks up into a number of different nation states.

Also... Isn't our voter turnout like 30% or less?

I believe the constiution and the original ideals should without a doubt still remain the basis of the renewed republic

We have become too successful, no system is perfect and eventually will crumble

Nothing is watertight forever

So many constitutional amendments about equal rights, elections, slavery

But they have found ways around it

No slavery? Okay, then we have apprenticeships

Sure, we vote for the House, the Senate, and the President. But look at the system of voting. Horrible abuse and corruption. Look at Miami and Broward.

You can't really believe those are the only two places. They're the ones who got caught.

that stuff should constantly be audited in my opinion

I mean dude, USSR had elections. China has elections. North Korea has elections.

i think their definition of an election is even worse than ours

Direct democracy may have been good in ancient Greece for example. But look at how big their countries were. 30,000 electors at best.

It was good for the time

If we were a direct democracy, you and I would have died in a detention camp a long time ago

In a country that had 30,000 electors, probably not

Now look at the population

convervatives do not have the votes to live in a direct democracy

Things change

In a small one sure

In a big one hell no

And we live in a big country