De facto independent

But still a huge taboo to recognize them as such

If they reunited the current idea floating around is a special status like HK and Macau but also with their own army separate from the PLA

Which is basically 99% of what it is now

Hong Kong wants independence but doesn't know what that means.

First it is Chinese soil. So no, fuck you and your independence and your illusory freedom and democracy.

Second, they have very little influence from the mainland.

Everything there is very expensive except sex, high organized crime

Why shouldn’t HK be its own independent nation?

Sounds like California

There's no mainland triads. There are in HK though.

Because people do not have inherent rights to overthrow rulers

They do if the US is involved

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Organized crime fled to HK and still does. Mainland and HK want to extradite them back to mainland to face trial and likely execution. Organized crime bosses don't want that.

So they provoke riots against extradition

Mainland China has no organized crime?

Is that what the riots were about? Lmao

They do have organized crime in the mainland

It's just also the government

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“...people don’t have inherent rights to overthrow rulers”
So the people should just accept communism as their rule forever then? We should just accept mass immigration of 3rd world retards because it’s what our rulers want?

Yeah coming from the same person who has said legal doesnt mean moral that is an ass pull

People have ALWAYS had the inherent right to overthrow rulers. It's the ability to do so that isnt inherent

For there to be no right to overthrow rulers people would have to have an inherent right to rule. That just isnt the case in the overwhelming majority of situations.

You can't just decide on a whim that your own government is no longer legitimate

By that standard #NotMyPresident would always be true

The Triads in the mainland were virtually annihilated under Mao by the PLA

Crime always exists and every kind of it does but it is not what you'd call a problem on the mainland

Hong Kong is not communist at all anyway. They are extreme capitalist with probably more economic freedom than the US, maybe anywhere in the world.

But check this shit out @Andrules

Hong Kong is not unique

There is another territory with the exact same status as a "Special Administrative Region"

But they don't have riots.

They too have identical economic and political freedom.

In the SARs you *can* access Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, porn, you *can* criticize the Party, you *can* believe in Islamic terrorism, etc.

Why doesn't the other SAR have these same issues?

Why don't they have riots?

Yeah I know HK is basically anarchy 🤣

What is SAR?

(I see you spelled it out above, but what is it?)