Message from @Deleted User

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2018-12-19 01:20:08 UTC  

What states get you on a sex offender registry for public urinating?

2018-12-19 01:22:11 UTC  

Usually we charge disorderly conduct, but we do have a statute for public indecency which also includes flashing and having sex. It's a misdemeanor the first two times.

2018-12-19 01:42:21 UTC  

Can’t you get put on the list for peeing in front of a school playground or something? Or is that just for movies/TV?

2018-12-19 02:03:33 UTC  

Men can get on the list for just peeing in public

2018-12-19 02:30:02 UTC  

If you're charged with flashing a kid then yeah

2018-12-19 02:30:35 UTC  

But no I don't think public pissers need to be on the list at all

2018-12-19 02:30:52 UTC  

Nor teachers having consensual sex with students when they would otherwise be legal

2018-12-19 03:14:12 UTC  

in some states there are mandatory adding ons for crimes like that. in addition, most of what I've read about the subject is highly critical of registries because they make living after serving probation or jail a living hell. people who've murdered others have it easier than people who end up on the registry. in addition to that, there are no studies involving empirical evidence that support the "mythos" that sex offender registries make places safer or reduce rates of recidivism. the opposite tends to be more true from what I've read.

2018-12-19 03:18:04 UTC  

most of the time however if the crime is relatively minor compared to other felonies (crimes with a sentence possibility of over two years) you can end up on the registry for 25 years minimum. during that time it's next to impossible to find stable work, housing, and a means of reintegration with society.

2018-12-19 03:25:46 UTC  

For actual pedophiles, yes the punishment should be severe, but most people who end up on the registry aren't child molesters and rapists. a good portion are teens who screwed someone they didn't know was underage. there was a case in michigan where a college football player was falsely accused of rape by two women who corroborated a story against him. he lost his scholarship, his enrollment in college, and most of his friends, and ended up 30k in debt for legal fees, and was mandated to register. after his conviction was overturned when, he's still on the registry. Was that justice? It's come to the point where the accusation alone turns what is otherwise a good and honest man into what is in the eyes of the public at least a witch or leper. (see Brett Kavanaugh for further evidence). The worst part is that they are put on the registry because the state assumes that the individual will commit a similar crime in the future, effectively denying him presumption of innocence and most of their 5th amendment rights.

2018-12-19 03:26:47 UTC  

I'm only asking for a college paper but reading into it more and more it seems the laws on record are highly immoral, even though it pertains to the treatment of "criminals".

2018-12-19 03:32:28 UTC  

When I worked for the sheriff, I was just a deputy jailer but we dealt with the annual registration since we didn't have law enforcement deputies inside the office. Small town.

2018-12-19 03:33:02 UTC  

So in some places, there might be a lot of "young and dumb" people on the registry. Where I was, nope. All violent rapists, child rapists etc

2018-12-19 03:33:26 UTC  

I'm pretty sure we have lifetime registration here.

2018-12-19 03:35:28 UTC  

Personally... I don't think a 16 yr old being with a 15 yr old, should be on there for statutory rape in most cases.

2018-12-19 03:35:34 UTC  

For those convicted on DNA evidence (the rare case where a rape charge actually results in conviction, it's usually with DNA evidence around here). I could give a fuck less about recidivism rates, constitutional rights and so on.

2018-12-19 03:36:07 UTC  

We have a Romeo & Juliet provision for those. As long as both are ages 14-18. Then it's a misdemeanor, still called statutory rape, but no registration.

2018-12-19 03:36:48 UTC  

ah ok

2018-12-19 03:37:03 UTC  

conviction by DNA, yes, mandatory, but convicted by accusation alone?

2018-12-19 03:37:11 UTC  

with no empirical evidence?

2018-12-19 03:37:47 UTC  

Hang out in a courtroom for awhile. There's rarely a conviction even with evidence.

2018-12-19 03:37:56 UTC  

Our conviction rate for murder here is 56%.

2018-12-19 03:38:13 UTC  

I've looked on the registry for my area before. Several guys on there for being 16 and fucking a 15 year old. I can only hope there's more evidence that makes it worth the addition to the list.

2018-12-19 03:38:23 UTC  

That means, out of all murder charges actually laid against a person, only 56% of them result in any conviction whatsoever.

2018-12-19 03:38:51 UTC  

If you were to include murders with no arrest at all, the conviction rate is MUCH lower.

2018-12-19 03:39:54 UTC  

i must come from a different state then. both my parents are lawyers, and the culture up here is pretty fucked in this regard

2018-12-19 03:40:07 UTC  

In fact in our statutes of limitations, we have no limit if there is DNA evidence.

2018-12-19 03:40:19 UTC  

Yeah I have a feeling you're further north than me.

2018-12-19 03:41:05 UTC  

Michigan. I'd bet you're in arizona or new mexico, maybe texas

2018-12-19 03:41:14 UTC  

Further "South"

2018-12-19 03:41:32 UTC  

I'm a cop in the southeast.

2018-12-19 03:42:20 UTC  

florida or georgia then?

2018-12-19 03:43:26 UTC  

not that it matters really. laws are more lax down there, except in kentucky and arkansas

2018-12-19 03:43:27 UTC  

Around there.

2018-12-19 03:43:54 UTC  

We have a registered here in my county, from Michigan, charge is "criminal sexual conduct, third degree" whatever that mean

2018-12-19 03:44:54 UTC  

up there, that's practically nothing serious, but it'll land you on the registry for 25 years.

2018-12-19 03:45:33 UTC  

that's your 16 y/0 screwing a 15 y/o situation

2018-12-19 03:46:00 UTC  

Aside from him, I got a dude for statutory when he was 22, dunno the victim's age. A decent looking girl who is actually five years younger than me, Minnesota with the same criminal sex conduct charge

2018-12-19 03:46:31 UTC  

and where I come from in michigan, I know almost half a dozen people who've done that, and they're all upstanding people

2018-12-19 03:46:38 UTC  

Unlawful activity with minor 16-17 years old...33 when he was convicted though

2018-12-19 03:46:49 UTC  

oh, now that's a pickle