Message from @Deleted User

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2019-03-22 14:17:59 UTC  

I am just looking for an alternative source of proof

2019-03-22 14:19:46 UTC  

LOL

2019-03-22 14:20:07 UTC  

"I'm looking for an alternative source of proof but you can't use everything we already know"

2019-03-22 14:20:26 UTC  

prove to me the earth is round

2019-03-22 14:20:58 UTC  

you can't use any scientific evidence provided by NASA

2019-03-22 14:21:30 UTC  

My point is that I cannot consider the Bible as a legitimate source of proof

2019-03-22 14:21:39 UTC  

So, let me rephrase

2019-03-22 14:21:52 UTC  

Why is the Bible a legitimate source?

2019-03-22 14:22:09 UTC  

it's a historical document

2019-03-22 14:22:19 UTC  

a massive, cross-referenced historical document

2019-03-22 14:22:32 UTC  

you literally can't have anything better

2019-03-22 14:23:01 UTC  

What about the fact that God acts like two different characters in the Old and New Testament?

2019-03-22 14:23:12 UTC  

I honestly am searching for answers

2019-03-22 14:23:14 UTC  

new covenant

2019-03-22 14:23:44 UTC  

Ok, lemme Google that and search for a big

2019-03-22 14:23:47 UTC  

*bit

2019-03-22 14:23:56 UTC  

as in

2019-03-22 14:24:07 UTC  

Jesus brought us the new covenant

2019-03-22 14:25:47 UTC  

honestly tho if you insist on being skeptical about it you'll never find God, because you need faith

2019-03-22 14:26:16 UTC  

no "proof" will ever be good enough

2019-03-22 14:27:19 UTC  

He's trying to ask an honest question so let's not be hard on the guy

2019-03-22 14:28:01 UTC  

From my denominational perspective the Church is older than some parts of the Bible anyway

2019-03-22 14:28:21 UTC  

Here is my argument to you @Deleted User

2019-03-22 14:28:36 UTC  

Nothing in existence is self created. You cannot be your own father

2019-03-22 14:28:56 UTC  

Therefore everything that exists, is created, by something that logically must have existed prior.

2019-03-22 14:29:03 UTC  

So God created the Universe. That I can agree and believe

2019-03-22 14:29:17 UTC  

That puts us in an infinitely backwards timeline with no beginning

2019-03-22 14:29:28 UTC  

But everything has a beginning

2019-03-22 14:29:59 UTC  

So, the only logical explanation for how anything can exist, is that some being must have existed before everything else

2019-03-22 14:30:30 UTC  

This doesn't tell you WHICH god of course

2019-03-22 14:31:22 UTC  

And the only way this can work is to accept that if a being can create all existence, then that being must be above any laws of nature, time, physics, etc and powerful far beyond human understanding

2019-03-22 14:31:47 UTC  

That is the only way the universe can exist. It cannot create itself.

2019-03-22 14:32:36 UTC  

As far as NT vs OT... remember the NT covers a very short time period.

2019-03-22 14:32:52 UTC  

The OT covers literally thousands of years of history

2019-03-22 14:33:33 UTC  

If God gets really pissed off say once every hundred years...then you might see his anger 10, 15, 20 times or more in the OT, but never in the NT

2019-03-22 14:38:32 UTC  

I’d count Jesus flipping tables and whipping people as God getting angry.

2019-03-22 14:39:25 UTC  

Yeah fair enough

2019-03-22 14:39:34 UTC  

But I was thinking of destruction of entire countries

2019-03-22 14:39:45 UTC  

Ah. Right.

2019-03-22 14:40:20 UTC  

And considering the redpill prescription you have Sagif, one pill 3x a day, then God ordering the mass slaughter of sand nigga pagans should not bother you anyway