Message from @boag

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2018-12-10 23:46:14 UTC  

Sure, but there's libraries that are removing Mein Kampf from pressure campaigns anyway.

2018-12-10 23:46:15 UTC  

now, those laws may need updating wording wise.

2018-12-10 23:46:51 UTC  

actually removing platform protections is a fine end goal by me

2018-12-10 23:46:55 UTC  

i would agree to that

2018-12-10 23:47:14 UTC  

removing platform protections **IF** they act like a publisher

2018-12-10 23:47:18 UTC  

If you just remove all protections, the larger protection racket wins.

2018-12-10 23:47:21 UTC  

thats the key phrase

2018-12-10 23:47:46 UTC  

"Google, there's some difficult speech from person X. We think it's harmful to community Y. If you remove it we won't sue you for Z"

2018-12-10 23:48:03 UTC  

you can sue NY times for what is in their articles. but you can;t sue twitter for what someone says, despite twitter curating their users liek they were an editor

2018-12-10 23:48:12 UTC  

If you don't provide platform protections, you're just turning it into a legal might free for all

2018-12-10 23:48:24 UTC  

removing platform protection would both a) destroy small platforms and b) force large platforms to drastically increase censorship

2018-12-10 23:48:30 UTC  

im ok with legal getting involved

2018-12-10 23:48:43 UTC  

What Atkins said gets it exactly.

2018-12-10 23:48:43 UTC  

it would pretty much mean that social media platforms would stop curating

2018-12-10 23:48:53 UTC  

the left has infinite money and man-hours for tactical lawsuits.

2018-12-10 23:48:54 UTC  

damn

2018-12-10 23:49:03 UTC  

ok so thats a no go then

2018-12-10 23:49:06 UTC  

NLG would be salivating for section 230's repeal.

2018-12-10 23:49:27 UTC  

I would very likely be imprisoned.

2018-12-10 23:49:28 UTC  

@boag if you remove it entirely with no way to get those protections back, it would kill a lot of platforms

2018-12-10 23:49:41 UTC  

so we still have the nebulous goal of "free speech on social media"

2018-12-10 23:49:49 UTC  

you need to allow them to get back in if they allow most or all legal traffic

2018-12-10 23:50:16 UTC  

Killing platforms is not the goal. And any replacements would get sued to hell unless they played nice with the large legal funds.

2018-12-10 23:50:20 UTC  

things like porn are iffy. they are both legal and not legal, depending on the user.

2018-12-10 23:51:02 UTC  

i would like to, as much as possible, remove 230 and updating old law already on the books that achieve the same goal if possible.

2018-12-10 23:51:10 UTC  

That's a distraction at the current moment though. What is there to do to promote free speech?

2018-12-10 23:51:19 UTC  

*porn

2018-12-10 23:52:00 UTC  

...which word was to be porn? lol

2018-12-10 23:52:07 UTC  

That's

2018-12-10 23:52:16 UTC  

ah

2018-12-10 23:53:35 UTC  

Right now I think the first step is to create some sort of trade association of content creators. Get a handful of big names to get together and hammer out a broad but simple statement of principles, and then invite others to join. Have a small membership fee which would go into a fund held in trust, to be used for legal activism.

2018-12-10 23:53:50 UTC  

I like that. I think that's a good step.

2018-12-10 23:54:06 UTC  

Maybe also accept donations from people.

2018-12-10 23:55:00 UTC  

thats a pretty good first step

2018-12-10 23:55:19 UTC  

One issue would be mitigating the interpersonal drama. Content creators tend to be kind of emotional folk. They have a certain personality profile that lends itself to catfights.

2018-12-10 23:55:21 UTC  

should we go into other places and start measuring responses to such a plan?

2018-12-10 23:55:56 UTC  

Not sure what places you'd have in mind. You can DM me if you want to keep it quiet.

2018-12-10 23:56:11 UTC  

Also, this is random (don't follow up) but do look into my page on Minds.

2018-12-10 23:56:13 UTC  

well other like minded places that wants free speech

2018-12-10 23:56:17 UTC  

So a certain amount of hierarchical structure would be necessary to keep people from getting in stupid slapfights. E.g., Sargon and Metokur.

2018-12-10 23:56:23 UTC  

This is particularly for you Atkins. I can't DM you for some reason.