Message from @boag

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2018-12-10 23:43:06 UTC  

They can report it if they think you're breaking the law and let the relevant authorities handle it.

2018-12-10 23:44:07 UTC  

i don't see how this is terrible far off from removing their platform protections while acting like a publisher. Now if platform protections are not strong enough to remove censorship then maybe you can add that back in.

2018-12-10 23:45:02 UTC  

but yes, the idea that to be protected from lawsuits, you need to carry all legal traffic, only taking town that which is clearly illegal or at the request of the government, or at least block it in that region.

2018-12-10 23:45:08 UTC  

Because when you say "repeal 230" it sounds an awful lot like just making it an open field for any and all lawsuits and pressure campaigns.

2018-12-10 23:45:24 UTC  

Which is obviously counter-productive.

2018-12-10 23:45:30 UTC  

You also have the issue of enforcement.

2018-12-10 23:45:32 UTC  

there is an assumption that platforms already had protections

2018-12-10 23:45:41 UTC  

Because in practice, there's alot of people too poor to sue.

2018-12-10 23:45:52 UTC  

i assumed you could not sue a library for mein kampf

2018-12-10 23:46:14 UTC  

Sure, but there's libraries that are removing Mein Kampf from pressure campaigns anyway.

2018-12-10 23:46:15 UTC  

now, those laws may need updating wording wise.

2018-12-10 23:46:51 UTC  

actually removing platform protections is a fine end goal by me

2018-12-10 23:46:55 UTC  

i would agree to that

2018-12-10 23:47:14 UTC  

removing platform protections **IF** they act like a publisher

2018-12-10 23:47:18 UTC  

If you just remove all protections, the larger protection racket wins.

2018-12-10 23:47:21 UTC  

thats the key phrase

2018-12-10 23:47:46 UTC  

"Google, there's some difficult speech from person X. We think it's harmful to community Y. If you remove it we won't sue you for Z"

2018-12-10 23:48:03 UTC  

you can sue NY times for what is in their articles. but you can;t sue twitter for what someone says, despite twitter curating their users liek they were an editor

2018-12-10 23:48:12 UTC  

If you don't provide platform protections, you're just turning it into a legal might free for all

2018-12-10 23:48:24 UTC  

removing platform protection would both a) destroy small platforms and b) force large platforms to drastically increase censorship

2018-12-10 23:48:30 UTC  

im ok with legal getting involved

2018-12-10 23:48:43 UTC  

What Atkins said gets it exactly.

2018-12-10 23:48:43 UTC  

it would pretty much mean that social media platforms would stop curating

2018-12-10 23:48:53 UTC  

the left has infinite money and man-hours for tactical lawsuits.

2018-12-10 23:48:54 UTC  

damn

2018-12-10 23:49:03 UTC  

ok so thats a no go then

2018-12-10 23:49:06 UTC  

NLG would be salivating for section 230's repeal.

2018-12-10 23:49:27 UTC  

I would very likely be imprisoned.

2018-12-10 23:49:28 UTC  

@boag if you remove it entirely with no way to get those protections back, it would kill a lot of platforms

2018-12-10 23:49:41 UTC  

so we still have the nebulous goal of "free speech on social media"

2018-12-10 23:49:49 UTC  

you need to allow them to get back in if they allow most or all legal traffic

2018-12-10 23:50:16 UTC  

Killing platforms is not the goal. And any replacements would get sued to hell unless they played nice with the large legal funds.

2018-12-10 23:50:20 UTC  

things like porn are iffy. they are both legal and not legal, depending on the user.

2018-12-10 23:51:02 UTC  

i would like to, as much as possible, remove 230 and updating old law already on the books that achieve the same goal if possible.

2018-12-10 23:51:10 UTC  

That's a distraction at the current moment though. What is there to do to promote free speech?

2018-12-10 23:51:19 UTC  

*porn

2018-12-10 23:52:00 UTC  

...which word was to be porn? lol

2018-12-10 23:52:07 UTC  

That's

2018-12-10 23:52:16 UTC  

ah

2018-12-10 23:53:35 UTC  

Right now I think the first step is to create some sort of trade association of content creators. Get a handful of big names to get together and hammer out a broad but simple statement of principles, and then invite others to join. Have a small membership fee which would go into a fund held in trust, to be used for legal activism.

2018-12-10 23:53:50 UTC  

I like that. I think that's a good step.