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2019-06-04 23:27:48 UTC  

This will be a landmark case

2019-06-04 23:28:20 UTC  

ohh

2019-06-04 23:28:29 UTC  

so they will go to court with that case?

2019-06-04 23:28:56 UTC  

Oh yes

2019-06-04 23:29:03 UTC  

Arrest is not conviction

2019-06-04 23:29:28 UTC  

You need reasonable suspicion to detain someone temporarily, for a reasonable amount of time to dispel that suspicion

2019-06-04 23:29:36 UTC  

Or to achieve probable cause

2019-06-04 23:29:54 UTC  

The facts or circumstances that would make a reasonable person believe that a crime is being or has been committed

2019-06-04 23:30:20 UTC  

I see, that makes sense

2019-06-04 23:30:24 UTC  

I hope he rots to prison

2019-06-04 23:30:27 UTC  

though

2019-06-04 23:30:58 UTC  

And then, with probable cause, you can arrest and charge someone for a crime

2019-06-04 23:31:27 UTC  

Then in court, the prosecution must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, to an entire jury, or a single judge (judge vs jury trial is the choice of the accused)

2019-06-04 23:33:33 UTC  

And with that level of proof, the judge will impose sentence and they go to prison etc

2019-06-04 23:33:48 UTC  

But the judge can rule on various technicalities

2019-06-04 23:34:01 UTC  

Warren v. DC absolutely will be cited as precedent in this case

2019-06-04 23:34:25 UTC  

In Warren, the court held that the police have no duty to protect an individual person, only the "public at large"

2019-06-04 23:34:32 UTC  

It's a fucked up case and I don't like it

2019-06-04 23:34:56 UTC  

Basically some guys broke into a house, raped and tortured a few girls for several hours, and police never showed up despite multiple 911 calls

2019-06-04 23:35:23 UTC  

Typical Greece police

2019-06-04 23:35:36 UTC  

They always come after some hours to not have a confrontation

2019-06-04 23:36:03 UTC  

Cops like that need to rot in prison

2019-06-04 23:36:10 UTC  

and a massive debt for their families

2019-06-04 23:37:19 UTC  

DCPD has a long history of corruption

2019-06-04 23:37:43 UTC  

DC as the capital is not within a state and has its own special laws separate from the rest of civilization

2019-06-04 23:38:10 UTC  

To own a pistol, at the time, you had to prove to the chief of police that you had a reasonable fear

2019-06-04 23:38:30 UTC  

Ahhh same law as Greece

2019-06-04 23:38:45 UTC  

There had been a case where a woman was raped and beaten, man went to prison, told her multiple times he's coming back to rape her again and kill her etc

2019-06-04 23:38:56 UTC  

Victim applies for pistol permit, chief denies it

2019-06-04 23:39:16 UTC  

Some other cases where even 20 year veterans of special forces didn't get permit

2019-06-04 23:39:47 UTC  

Landmark court case, DC v. Heller, changed this

2019-06-04 23:40:19 UTC  

Court held that it is a right to own a firearm for self defense, period

2019-06-04 23:40:48 UTC  

Doesn't the second amendment count though?

2019-06-04 23:41:13 UTC  

Yes but some governments will ignore it

2019-06-04 23:41:14 UTC  

Or state laws can overwrite the amendments?

2019-06-04 23:41:23 UTC  

They cannot legally, but they do anyway

2019-06-04 23:41:33 UTC  

Can you drag them to court over this?

2019-06-04 23:41:45 UTC  

Prior to Heller, rifles and shotguns in DC also had to be kept unloaded and locked, or disassembled

2019-06-04 23:41:57 UTC  

Yes you can sue the state or federal government

2019-06-04 23:42:05 UTC  

Basically to drag them to Supreme Court

2019-06-04 23:42:16 UTC  

I see