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2019-06-04 23:38:10 UTC  

To own a pistol, at the time, you had to prove to the chief of police that you had a reasonable fear

2019-06-04 23:38:30 UTC  

Ahhh same law as Greece

2019-06-04 23:38:45 UTC  

There had been a case where a woman was raped and beaten, man went to prison, told her multiple times he's coming back to rape her again and kill her etc

2019-06-04 23:38:56 UTC  

Victim applies for pistol permit, chief denies it

2019-06-04 23:39:16 UTC  

Some other cases where even 20 year veterans of special forces didn't get permit

2019-06-04 23:39:47 UTC  

Landmark court case, DC v. Heller, changed this

2019-06-04 23:40:19 UTC  

Court held that it is a right to own a firearm for self defense, period

2019-06-04 23:40:48 UTC  

Doesn't the second amendment count though?

2019-06-04 23:41:13 UTC  

Yes but some governments will ignore it

2019-06-04 23:41:14 UTC  

Or state laws can overwrite the amendments?

2019-06-04 23:41:23 UTC  

They cannot legally, but they do anyway

2019-06-04 23:41:33 UTC  

Can you drag them to court over this?

2019-06-04 23:41:45 UTC  

Prior to Heller, rifles and shotguns in DC also had to be kept unloaded and locked, or disassembled

2019-06-04 23:41:57 UTC  

Yes you can sue the state or federal government

2019-06-04 23:42:05 UTC  

Basically to drag them to Supreme Court

2019-06-04 23:42:16 UTC  

I see

2019-06-04 23:43:05 UTC  

Here's the most fucked up thing though

2019-06-04 23:43:23 UTC  

Heller, who sued the government, because they wouldn't recognize his rights ... Is a cop

2019-06-04 23:43:34 UTC  

wtf

2019-06-04 23:44:09 UTC  

The nigga has probably carried a gun next to congressmen, cabinet members, and federal judges

2019-06-04 23:44:16 UTC  

But wasn't allowed to have one in his home

2019-06-04 23:44:23 UTC  

It's stupid in the first level to have regulations that the amendment allows

2019-06-04 23:44:28 UTC  

but that's just beyond stupid

2019-06-04 23:45:47 UTC  

One of the circuit judges said that DC isn't a state so the people there don't have constitutional rights

2019-06-04 23:46:04 UTC  

It's like in Greece, if you have a fear that someone is hunting you down. You can do the paperwork (7 months work) to get a loicense for a gun but if you use it for self-defence sorry nigga you will go to prison

2019-06-04 23:46:20 UTC  

Cases don't go directly to the supreme court, they go through multiple lower courts first, and she was a dissenting judge in that case

2019-06-04 23:47:01 UTC  

I see, I believe here if the case is an infrigment on our rights we can ask to go to supreme court directly

2019-06-04 23:53:14 UTC  

Do you have a specifically delinated right to life?

2019-06-04 23:55:09 UTC  

What do you mean?

2019-06-04 23:56:04 UTC  

Does your constitution or basic law say you have a right to life?

2019-06-04 23:56:17 UTC  

Because that is from where the right to bear arms comes from

2019-06-04 23:56:39 UTC  

Right to life, and right to private property

2019-06-04 23:57:18 UTC  

We do

2019-06-04 23:57:40 UTC  

Guns are forbidden by laws though and heavely regulated

2019-06-04 23:58:47 UTC  

But our constitution needs to be burned

2019-06-04 23:58:50 UTC  

If the law said you are forbidden to practice your religion, then what?

2019-06-04 23:58:57 UTC  

You can't have a constitution when they revise it

2019-06-04 23:58:59 UTC  

whenever they want

2019-06-04 23:59:04 UTC  

Constitutional law supersedes statutory law

2019-06-04 23:59:34 UTC  

Therefore if your constitution guarantees the right to life, then it implicitly guarantees the right to protect your own life

2019-06-04 23:59:49 UTC  

That is the right of self defense