Message from @Atkins

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2018-11-18 23:07:48 UTC  

We need more actual reporters to actually physically go on the ground where events happen and film the details themselves. But that doesn't make money. Hyper-partisan commentary does.

2018-11-18 23:07:53 UTC  

typically the problem with most conspiracy theories is the amount of money and people who would need to be kept quite.

2018-11-18 23:08:23 UTC  

So we have a dozen left-wing talking heads all regurgitating information from one or two sources at best, which is quite easy to manipulate.

2018-11-18 23:08:23 UTC  

The larger the conspiracy the less likely that it can maintain itself over time

2018-11-18 23:08:52 UTC  

Yes, for sure. But that's not the only problem.

2018-11-18 23:09:11 UTC  

Like we've known about JournoList for years. But if you try to tell someone about it they think you're nuts.

2018-11-18 23:09:18 UTC  

Demoralization has taken hold.

2018-11-18 23:10:15 UTC  

Tried to explain to my mom about the Podesta hack and how it exposed collusion between the Hillary campaign and the media. She wouldn't believe me even when I showed her the emails.

2018-11-18 23:10:41 UTC  

Also, depending on how people get the news, hearing contradictions later by sources they don't trust, they would continue to believe the lie

2018-11-18 23:11:20 UTC  

Like we've see shit where outlets report fake news, and they never correct it

2018-11-18 23:11:25 UTC  

even when disproven

2018-11-18 23:11:47 UTC  

Shitty news outlets publishing information without vetting and then neglecting to correct.

2018-11-18 23:12:13 UTC  

Like 9/11. All the completely unfounded rumors that were spouted on air as if they were verified fact.

2018-11-18 23:12:40 UTC  

Every shooting or terrorist attack they always, always mention a possible second gunman even without a shred of evidence.

2018-11-18 23:12:55 UTC  

Have to be the first to get the scoop so you make the money.

2018-11-18 23:13:20 UTC  

And the truth is nearly irrelevant as far as their bottom line is concerned.

2018-11-18 23:14:34 UTC  

We're awash in so much contradictory or untrustworthy information that we can't tell fact from fiction even when we're presented with the verified truth. Demoralized.

2018-11-18 23:15:33 UTC  

On the left people believe to the core of their being that the Proud Boys are nazi skinheads or something, even though every five minutes they're saying they're not and some of their leadership are Latino and Native American.

2018-11-18 23:16:16 UTC  

Just sayin the town Bielefeld does not exist. /s

2018-11-18 23:18:00 UTC  

People build, maintain, and *defend* a narrative despite any objective facts to the contrary, because in our chaotic partisan information-overloaded world that's the only way to stay sane.

2018-11-18 23:19:35 UTC  

Some of those people, who are probably not particularly stable or intelligent to begin with, build narratives based on conspiracies. And they will just keep maintaining them and defending them regardless. You can present them with the best information, audio, video, testimony, whatever, and they'll use that to reinforce their existing view of the world.

2018-11-18 23:19:49 UTC  

We all do it to a certain degree.

2018-11-18 23:20:46 UTC  

Watergate started as a conspiracy theory that turned out to be right.

2018-11-18 23:22:32 UTC  

Up until Snowden the NSA monitoring everything you do was a nutty conspiracy.

2018-11-18 23:22:50 UTC  

So yeah, it doesn't help that sometimes they're true.

2018-11-18 23:23:34 UTC  

We desperately need the news media to return to boring, unbiased, non-partisan reporting of the facts, as recorded by their own employees on the ground.

2018-11-18 23:24:23 UTC  

Wire services and freelancers are great and all, but if the entire industry is using one source then that's a problem.

2018-11-18 23:24:48 UTC  

I doubt it will happen since the MSM have reduced their correspondents corps.

2018-11-18 23:24:53 UTC  

We need fewer $100M studios and more boots on the ground.

2018-11-18 23:25:21 UTC  

Totally agree

2018-11-18 23:25:40 UTC  

_starts cloning Tim…_

2018-11-18 23:25:58 UTC  

How do you convince the left to relinquish such a powerful tool of manipulation though?

2018-11-18 23:28:36 UTC  

Anyone remember TheKnife media? Kind of ironic that they had exactly the sort of reporting we need to restore normalcy to America, but they turned out to be run by a secret sex slave cult.

2018-11-18 23:29:52 UTC  

"We desperately need the news media to return to boring, unbiased, non-partisan reporting" <-amen

2018-11-18 23:31:16 UTC  

Perhaps is such an outfit out there but we simply dont know about because the do not register on our click bait radar

2018-11-18 23:31:27 UTC  

I also believe in unicorns /s

2018-11-18 23:33:33 UTC  

Propublica tries

2018-11-18 23:33:51 UTC  

There's also people like Tim trying to freelance it

2018-11-18 23:59:36 UTC  

i don't think news was ever unbias or boring. the trope of news being sensational is as old as news.

2018-11-19 00:03:03 UTC  

Yellow Press. Exactly.

2018-11-20 04:16:01 UTC  

Reminder that even in the "Free" land of 'Murica you can still be sent to jail for investigative journalism, if you investigate too deep.

Sensationalism backed by a multinational corporation pays well. Actually having integrity and a will to find out the truth, not so much.