In low sun areas it selected fir light skin to increase vitamin D production to minimize rickets

But you just said that IQ varies by race.

So, since race has an effect on likely IQ, as you've stated, and since IQ has an effect on culture, as you've stated, race has an effect on culture.

The big question about IQ is not whether it has a genetic component, but rather, whether IQ itself is really the best measure we have. Since IQ tests were designed by academics to measure people like themselves. Which isn't necessarily the best way to run a society.

In areas with malaria, sickle cell is selected because one sickle cell chronosome is protective against the worst of malaria

I would not want a bunch of high IQ nerds running my society as there is no correlation between IQ and honesty, honor, integrity, decency, trustworthiness, or much of anything else.

@Bookworm you still don’t get the point.

I would question whether IQ varies by "race" or social status and the resources someone has to develop healthy when young

It's a topic open for discussion, but Young Cat has put it forward as true, so right now we're reasoning it out as if it was true.

Kids who don't eat well or who are exposed to tobacco or alcohol en utero have IQ issues regardless of "race"

Which makes sense.

@Bookworm my point has been and will remain that racial genetic differences don’t affect racial integration significantly.

Gonna run a few errands in a bit, be back when I can.

Okay, that's a different statement, but let's work on that then.

What do you mean by racial integration?

🤦‍♂️people of different races living in the same community.

Only men? That seems odd.

Why is that even mutually desirable for the groups involved?

@devpav well, not everyone is racist.

That's not an answer.

You have to do a lot better than that if you expect all these distinct groups to willingly share the same space.

Well then, what’s the alternative? More wars and genocide? You have no clue what what you are suggesting. You over estimate the effect that genetic racial differences have and then you use your misinterpretation to endorse policies that ultimately lead to more conflict.

The alternative is groups coexisting peacefully by keeping to their own space.

Segregation? We kinda tried that.

We already have de facto segregation.

It doesn’t work. And integration works and it does fine.

Integration doesn't work.

Integration doesn't even happen.

I think the US military is proof positive for integration

The US military is not real life.

It does and you are proving that you don’t know what you are talking about.

Tell that the osama bin ladin :-p

You're a broken record.

I think the US armed forces are quite real. And quite integrated. And quite kick ass.

Military life is not civilian life. And I don't want civilian life replaced with military life.

@devpav
Sure, when larger groups migrate and stay within their own group even after migrating, sure, integration does not work.
But individuals migrating are often perfectly integrated into their new society

I've worked extremely well in integrated hospitals.

Integration works just fine. It's quite natural. Just leave your prejudices behind and work towards common goals.

There's no such thing as 'perfectly integrated' because you can't completely eradicate people's awareness of their subgroup identity.

@devpav >asserts that biological racial differences prevents effective integration.
>military proves him wrong
>refuses to accept being proved wrong by moving the goal post.

The military doesn't prove anything about integration in real life because it's not real life. I already said I'm not going to live under North Korean social conditions for the sake of so-called integration.