Message from @Rickard

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2018-11-09 00:10:25 UTC  

if u look at china, in a span of approx 30 years or so they went from averaging a wage of 1$ a month+- to 700$+ a month for lowskilled labour

2018-11-09 00:10:35 UTC  

in the west there is far more capital in place already. the factory already exists, and the workers are already educated and trained. there is already a highway, a rail line, a cargo port. it's already there, no additional investment required. in africa they have not invested in capital. they have instead spent whatever gains they have made.

2018-11-09 00:11:35 UTC  

also, there are strong institutions in the west. police, legal systems, regulatory bodies. none of that exists in africa, making investment (both foreign and domestic) far riskier. someone can just rob you, extort you, etc.

2018-11-09 00:11:43 UTC  

Frankly i think all of this has more to do with geographical location and the fact that nearly the entire world has set foot in europe

2018-11-09 00:12:25 UTC  

this book covers the problems in great detail

2018-11-09 00:12:30 UTC  

in relation as to why we ended up getting ahead

2018-11-09 00:14:36 UTC  

Because our people chose to focus on institutions, science and commerce etc. Many of these countries does not, or focuses on completly different development such as personal gain (corruption) and power disputes.

And now we in the west has started focusing on helping everyone but ourselfes. Very interesting.

2018-11-09 00:15:33 UTC  

the chinese have had massive growth because they have been investing in capital and infrastructure at an absurd rate (mostly driven by their capital controls). they have also been sending their kids overseas to get educated, and soliciting all sorts of foreign investment. also doesn't hurt that government officials charged with corruption can get executed.

2018-11-09 00:15:37 UTC  

as far as i know, western europe was still clubbing eachother to death in pure tribal mode whilst further east they were developing civilization

2018-11-09 00:16:16 UTC  

Why then is it that the entire political and economical system in china is corrupt..?

2018-11-09 00:16:35 UTC  

implying it isnt here? lol

2018-11-09 00:17:01 UTC  

Yes

2018-11-09 00:17:13 UTC  

most certainly not in the same manner and extent

2018-11-09 00:17:32 UTC  

Well i would say we are getting rather close to the same manner and extent

2018-11-09 00:18:47 UTC  

and political & economical corruption is most definitely happening all over the place in the west

2018-11-09 00:19:18 UTC  

Do you see police district chiefs in 'battles' with their regional governments over some investment dispute?
I assume you have not studied the real situation of Chines affairs?

2018-11-09 00:19:28 UTC  

forgot to add, im from europe, im talking about a european perspective mind u

2018-11-09 00:19:48 UTC  

I am Swedish my self..

2018-11-09 00:20:17 UTC  

define battles

2018-11-09 00:20:44 UTC  

Not as in guns vs guns, but severe powerstruggles resulting in complete political removal

2018-11-09 00:20:56 UTC  

the yeah ive seen that happen

2018-11-09 00:20:56 UTC  

over things that should not have been in the first place

2018-11-09 00:21:11 UTC  

one big one in the 90s

2018-11-09 00:21:30 UTC  

But is it the norm in wester society? i would surely say no

2018-11-09 00:21:33 UTC  

not over investments, but over political corruption

2018-11-09 00:22:18 UTC  

I would say it is, because its inevitable when you are required to lobby the government to get anything done

2018-11-09 00:23:10 UTC  

I can not say the same about the situaiton in Sweden..
Perhaps i have assumed that the generall standards in the west were simmilar

2018-11-09 00:23:38 UTC  

Well im not gonna claim my country is the same as china that would be a bit too much

2018-11-09 00:23:49 UTC  

but were getting closer to what china does in regards to the EU

2018-11-09 00:24:02 UTC  

i agree on that

2018-11-09 00:24:06 UTC  

That aside, there is rampant corruption in my country

2018-11-09 00:24:10 UTC  

and everyone knows it

2018-11-09 00:24:12 UTC  

its not hidden

2018-11-09 00:24:15 UTC  

its done openly

2018-11-09 00:24:18 UTC  

Which county is this?

2018-11-09 00:24:21 UTC  

belgium

2018-11-09 00:24:38 UTC  

waow, i've heard and read exactly ZERO about this

2018-11-09 00:25:00 UTC  

Why would u, nobody gives a shit what happens in a tiny dot on the globe like belgium

2018-11-09 00:25:05 UTC  

in Sweden, only talk is about Hungary and Poland these days

2018-11-09 00:25:41 UTC  

this is nothing new, this has been going on for years