@Rickard yes. Plus, it’s difficult to say how much IQ itself affects behavior.

Right, don't address my basic point that you tripped over.

But we've been converging for 6000 years as transportation has improved

Horses. Boats. Lots of migration.

Transportation alone isn't mixing the entire global population all that much.

@Salacious Swanky Cat yeah, i'm not even trying to argue on that point, just widen the overall discussion.

My angle is that there still is nothing speaking for genetics infuencing political belief

Hitler was a smart lad on many aspects, still a socialist.

@Rickard I know. I’m just putting it out there.

Being communist, socialist, kapitalist etc. is most likely not realted to IQ nor race.
@Salacious Swanky Cat 👍

having a high IQ doesnt make you immune to stupidity as a lot of ppl seem to think these days

@Rickard I agree.

Class or economic success is related to IQ. That's one big reason why psychologists care about it.

theyre good indicators

@Rickard the core of the argument between me and dev is that he seriously believes that racal genetic differences makes racial integration impossible/undesirable.

but you can still be successful in something and be a total dumbass on everything else

It's a good predictor of social outcomes.

a "smart" person realizes this

a dumb "smart" person does not

The lower your IQ the less likely you are to be economically successful.

in the west yes

@tritrium very true. Philosophy can dazzle or enligthen many.
Yet @devpav the socialist ideology and politics are developed by advanced thinker at universities and only until very recently has overall quality dropped.

This further ads to race and genetics having nothing to do with this.
@Salacious Swanky Cat yeah, i'm just trying to add some perspective and extras to perhaps shred some light on the topic for.. you know.. some people

@tritrium are you saying that IQ does not determine average success rate in the east and majority africa?

I am saying that in the west unskilled labour is, to be hyperbolic, no longer wanted or needed.

But it depends on what you define success as

If you define it as being able to provide for u kids and family

How come then that unskilled labour still results in better overall life quality in the west than in the east and the majority of african countries?

then yeah, you gonna have a hard time in the west doing that as a lowskill worker

Carpenters, factory operators etc. make by far alot more and live alot better in the west than in the east and the africas

Ur comparing totally different economic standards

if u look 100 years ago

we werent earning said wages either

100 years ago we were farmers and so were they. Now neither of us are and neither of us are in the industrialization stage

if u look at china, in a span of approx 30 years or so they went from averaging a wage of 1$ a month+- to 700$+ a month for lowskilled labour

in the west there is far more capital in place already. the factory already exists, and the workers are already educated and trained. there is already a highway, a rail line, a cargo port. it's already there, no additional investment required. in africa they have not invested in capital. they have instead spent whatever gains they have made.

also, there are strong institutions in the west. police, legal systems, regulatory bodies. none of that exists in africa, making investment (both foreign and domestic) far riskier. someone can just rob you, extort you, etc.

Frankly i think all of this has more to do with geographical location and the fact that nearly the entire world has set foot in europe

https://www.amazon.com/Origins-Political-Order-Prehuman-Revolution/dp/0374533229

this book covers the problems in great detail

in relation as to why we ended up getting ahead

Because our people chose to focus on institutions, science and commerce etc. Many of these countries does not, or focuses on completly different development such as personal gain (corruption) and power disputes.

And now we in the west has started focusing on helping everyone but ourselfes. Very interesting.

the chinese have had massive growth because they have been investing in capital and infrastructure at an absurd rate (mostly driven by their capital controls). they have also been sending their kids overseas to get educated, and soliciting all sorts of foreign investment. also doesn't hurt that government officials charged with corruption can get executed.