Message from @Beemann

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2018-12-05 18:35:21 UTC  

Who wants our industry to be non-competitive?

2018-12-05 18:35:32 UTC  

You apparently

2018-12-05 18:35:50 UTC  

We are losing to China because we are not competitive

2018-12-05 18:35:57 UTC  

I want as much domestic competition as possible.

2018-12-05 18:36:04 UTC  

Thus the solution isn't to preserve non competitiveness via protectionism

2018-12-05 18:36:17 UTC  

It's to figure out why we aren't competitive

2018-12-05 18:36:58 UTC  

You wanna make people competitive by taking their money?

2018-12-05 18:37:13 UTC  

What the fuck

2018-12-05 18:37:22 UTC  

What you mean is that we're losing a competition with China that we shouldn't even be engaged in.

2018-12-05 18:37:31 UTC  

On what basis?

2018-12-05 18:37:45 UTC  

America does not produce everything it needs, nor is it feasible for it to do so

2018-12-05 18:37:52 UTC  

You dont like global trade?

2018-12-05 18:39:19 UTC  

Competition with the third world to see who can be the most third-world is a fool's game that we shouldn't be playing.

2018-12-05 18:39:49 UTC  

1. You're going to drastically increase the cost of goods
2. You're going to have to heavily industrialize more of your country by a substantial amount, without sufficient monetary inventive existing organically
3. You're probably still not going to have good domestic competition due to the way taxation, lobbying etc works

2018-12-05 18:39:54 UTC  

The purpose is to trade not become like the third world

2018-12-05 18:40:12 UTC  

That and China isn't third world

2018-12-05 18:40:22 UTC  

That makes trade with the third world even stupider then, Make.

2018-12-05 18:40:30 UTC  

Thats a problem with the intellectual state not trade LOL

2018-12-05 18:41:25 UTC  

1. Third world = political affiliation. China is not third world
2. Trade with other nations is beneficial for both nations

2018-12-05 18:42:14 UTC  

China is absolutely third-world. The wage differential between China and the US proves that.

2018-12-05 18:42:52 UTC  

China is 2nd world. Please read about what First, Second and Third world mean. Wage differential is not the key factor lol

2018-12-05 18:42:53 UTC  

It's not beneficial across-the-board for either nation.

2018-12-05 18:43:04 UTC  

By what standard is something 3rd world?

2018-12-05 18:43:22 UTC  

Fine, I'll call China a shithole instead.

2018-12-05 18:43:25 UTC  

1-3 World is Cold War Alliance terminology

2018-12-05 18:44:12 UTC  

It's one of the richest countries in the world, and if the US fucks up it will likely become the dominant power

2018-12-05 18:44:32 UTC  

Which is why the idea of shifting production to another country was floated

2018-12-05 18:45:31 UTC  

lol, dominant in what exactly?

2018-12-05 18:46:12 UTC  

Economy.
China produces most of what the West consumes, has fucktons of money and is currently using that economic power to sway/coerce smaller countries

2018-12-05 18:48:56 UTC  

China was put in that situation by massive treason on the part of special interests in the West.

2018-12-05 18:49:46 UTC  

Would you like to explain how it's treason?

2018-12-05 18:51:27 UTC  

It's the willful transfer of economic superiority from us to them by elements of our own society.

2018-12-05 18:52:57 UTC  

So you're owed their income?

2018-12-05 18:53:41 UTC  

Are they owed my income?

2018-12-05 18:54:30 UTC  

Sorry? I wasn't aware that not buying an iPad was punishable by death

2018-12-05 18:54:44 UTC  

Wut?

2018-12-05 18:54:50 UTC  

Meanwhile taxation is the application of force

2018-12-05 18:55:00 UTC  

No shit.

2018-12-05 18:55:04 UTC  

Government intervention is necessarily forceful

2018-12-05 18:55:26 UTC  

And the charge of treason for trade decisions implies that you are owed the money they have earned, in some sense

2018-12-05 18:55:37 UTC  

How have they earned it?