China also does not have a history of pursuing policies that cause fewer people to starve

The problem seems more innately philosophical

China killed over 100 million people pursuing policies

So the notion that a reconsolidated Chinese government is going to suddenly uproot itself for people whose houses they bulldoze is fairytale tier

Yup

ever hear the story of Mao killing the birds?

I have

My point is that your empathetic policy isn't especially empathetic

my point was sorta just you need to do a serious analysis of the problem

Your initial argument was that they were slaves and that it was bad and wrong to support that. The reality though is that if they weren't working there, many of them likely wouldn't be working. The Chinese government would likely not restructure unless there was another large revenue stream and those people would die

and that its sorta dangerous to just say. lets make sweet sweet money cause that's how to stay competitive

That's an oversimplification from someone asking for serious analysis

Oof

Kek

i just said that was one point of the issue

but the biggest point id make is that more profit now might hurt a country down the line

So whats the argument about so we stay in line?

In what way?

Compared to what also?

Talk about moving the goalposts. China's eagerness to starve its own people is an economic advantage to be exploited if we choose to trade with them, but a moral crisis if we choose not to trade with them?

No, I'm saying the moral argument against Chinese trade is nonsensical

Because the alternative to a shit job with no other options is no job

then why not Vietnam?

or misc. country

That's a false dilemma.

That was brought up earlier as well

For the Chinese to improve they must innovate

Look at the industrial revolution

They can get innovation through property aka patons

*rights

Thats the point of Made in China 2025

The alternative to a shitty job is a less shitty job if the environment for creating less shitty jobs exists.

?

Can you prove that such an environment exists?

They must innovate to get better jobs

The west isnt the problem

We don't have to prove that it exists, just that it's possible.

>36% of the Chinese working population is in sweatshops

Lolwut

what does that have to do with anything?

"We don't have to prove that an alternative for these people exists to make the moral argument that they shouldn't have the job they do"