Message from @m1
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"We don't have to prove that an alternative for these people exists to make the moral argument that they shouldn't have the job they do"
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what?
No economic policy will help China if they cant recognize human rights
the moral argument is valid
It isn't
but its not the whole thing
That wasn't a moral argument, it was an economic theory argument.
both are valid
I you want to help China refer back to the industrial revolution
The only one making a moral argument is Beemann, in the bizarre claim that the poor Chinese people for some reason won't figure out what to do with themselves if their export sector shrinks.
I just want to trade with China if they can trade fairly. I have nothing against the Chinese people either, and view nobody above another. But if China cant help themselves to not steal IP, or for unfair business practices. I think it best we increase tariffs at the expense of lower profits to fix the systemic issue. And I think the EU needs to pick anything to do
>the only one making a moral argument is Beemann
M1 made it initially, with the slavery comment
And then said it's still valid lol
Gaslight harder
I would also consider Democrats in favor of slavery
@m1 By what standard is it moral to trade with the US or wherever you live
by importing the whole of S. America
Beemann, why would you think it's okay to move production from the US to China but not to move production back from China to the US?
When did I ever state that was my position?
You're dichotomizing
So should we not offshore American jobs because it would leave American workers with 0 jobs?
It's not a collective decision to offshore or not
It's a trade policy decision.
It's actually one of domestic costs
And that cost environment is determined by trade policy.
If by trade policy you mean every policy that potentially affects a business, sure, but I think you mean international trade, of which only part of it is relevant to what the government should be doing here
And that part is not a wholesale solution to the issue either
increased tariffs on Chinese goods = Higher costs of those goods making other countries more attractive for manufacturing
so higher cost enviroment as determined by trade policy
m1's got it.
Right. Which means you're fucking yourself short term and long term, because you aren't looking at why you weren't competitive to start with lol
1. Cost of products goes way up, increasing costs on the poor in your country
2. Your country continues to pursue noncompetitive policy, because you're now just deciding to tariff your way out of the hole
We already know why we're not competitive on a pure cost basis with shit-poor countries with shitty economic regulations.
What do you do if/when automation does the same thing? Ban robots?
Swap to a monetary redistribution system?
The cost of merely doing business in the US drives companies out regardless
When automation does it I'll retire.
prolly not use generalizations to prove a point