On the topic of Su-57 cost, nobody knows. Official estimation stands at 50 mil, since it's not in production yet, that figure can be thrown out of the window

100 mil was quoted for the indian version hence why they dropped out

*hugs his upgraded PSGT helmet*

su-57 will not cost 50 million after RND

they wont even make very many most likely

if they make them at all at this point

afaik they are kindof giving up

I thought the PAK-FA had been canned?

looks like they are supposedly flying prototypes right now still

with introduction in 2019

est 9 billion in RND so far

Yeah, they moved four into Syria in late February

assuming they make 100 planes, thats 90 million a unit in RND alone

its questionable how stealthy it is as well given that the engines have a cylindrical profile

not particularly carefully shaped airframe

maybe just stealthy from certain angles

which is reasonable

if mainly the front aspect is stealthy they can still have surprise when they initially engage

Oh wow, they actually conducted their second phase engine tests in flight in late 2017

So they may very well launch with engines that aren't shit

there is a certain percent chance of that yes

wikipedia: In early 2018, India pulled out of the FGFA project, which it believed did not meet its requirements for stealth, combat avionics, radars and sensors by that time.

Yeah, wonder what they'll go for instead

possibly nothing

China isn't too likely to give them J-20 at this point

Or that, yeah

its not that likely j-20 will even be good

china is like 'hey we dont really have a pre existing aerospace industry but dont worry guys we totally nailed everything on the first try'

Well yeah, but Pakistan is supposed to be flying them

some planes > nothing

true

but if they cant really get the performance they want for their money

then it may just not be worthwhile for india to buy stealth stuff

they are less concerned with cool looking propoganda pieces than some

so they may just avoid stealth entirely

for now

Don't get me wrong, Su-57 isn't likely to be too good either, but it's something usable plus R&D experience

that would probably be one of the upsides for india

if they buy f-35

they will be no closer to making one themselves

su-57 at least they can get involved a bit