Message from @halfthink
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God.
Gouuuuud!
the BIG G-O-D
People will contest if positive rights are a thing at all, often
Gawwwd does not exist. Sorry.
Then use some other higher power.
Doesn’t have to be god.
Does not exist either.
God as the religious one or as a shorthand for nature
A level above government grants them just for being people.
part of the reason they are called 'natural' rights
And even if we assumed it did exist, what are the rights granted by that higher existence?
@H3llbender Which are the natural rights? Which rights did God give us?
But having public schools that are mostly paid for by the government (taxpayers) is a good thing, as long as the government manages its resources well and doesn't tax people like crazy
Property rights are the natural rights.
For example, many (even libertarians) think copyright is natural.
The rights god (or nature) grant is are all the rights we have except the ones we relinquish to government.
Exhaustive list.
An illiterate person is a social outcast, in today's world
I think that's the biggest load of shit I've ever heard, to argue copyright monopoly as a natural right.
Because it's "property". Property of an idea. Or word.
I've quite literally never talked to someone who called copyright a natural right
Most ancaps reject IP rights.
The idea is that you have all rights. The only non-rights are anything which infringes the rights of another.
@halfthink But isn't all property kind about positive rights?
Property rights are pretty much "Don't fuck with my shit"
How it becomes "my shit" and how one defines "fuck with" are various things
Especially when it comes to common property
Capital is generally required to have copyright. Since you invested something into the idea.
For example, is any land you circle with a fence "your land"?
Under some definitions, yes
If you can defend it, sure. You put money into circling it. Capital.
Capitalism.
"worked" land is activating a part of my memory
@whiic Are you familiar with squatter's rights?
Well, some would fence of more land they can work with, just because it's expected that free land will run out, and being too greedy allows them to sell it with nice profit later, when there's no land to grab onto.
Most libertarians accept the homesteading principle as how unowned property is originally appropriated.
Basically, Molyneux land ownership logic stopped working a few hundred years ago in USA, and was already outdated much earlier in Europe.